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By Mad Dog

December 20, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

People complain about the lack of police presence and response. Personally, considering that the tax payers refuse to pass millage for the support of public services which leaves these dedicated professionals under paid for the work they do, I think they do an OUTSTANDING job. BTW in the typical American city (Dayton included) at any given moment throughout the 24 hour day there is an active patrolman (not dispatcher or supervisor) but a street cop for every 1800-2000 persons. Get a grip!

By Mad Dog

December 20, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Any Criminalologist will tell you that to prevent crime you must swiftly enforce criminal laws with stiff penalties for infractions thereof. Our current system of juris prudence is broken and we need to fix it. As parents we are all too aware that punishment delayed is punishment denied and terfore ineffective. Perhaps our city leaders could see this if a smaller percentage of their lunch was not liquid.

By Mad Dog

December 20, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

In all this broohaha there seems to be a few missing basic facts that need to re-presented to the general population: Criminals are predators, to stop a predator you have to be prepared at the instance of attack. If you find an honest Democrat they will admit to being a socialist (i.e. everybody should work for the betterment of the sate) well we all know how well the former Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics worked.

By ex ohio peep

December 20, 2006 04:09 AM | Link to this

wtfg Ohio!!!!!!!!!!! when I lived there there where few of these rules. as a Utah resident I am glad to see the my ccw is a bit more usefull now.

By FUBAR

December 19, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

local Ohio Gun BBS at http://216.22.2.74/cgi-local/ffa2.cgi?

By dodacrazy

December 19, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

TAFT WAS A CROOK HOW DARE YOU ! LMAO

By dodacrazy

December 19, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

HEY WORTHLESS HAS ONE OTHER THINK TO SAY SHARON HOW ABOUT DINNER JUST TO PROVE MY POINT NOTHING GAY HERE YA BABY BUT WORTHLESS HAS JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT THATS LIKE THINK ABOUT HERE THEN SAY MULTPLAY BY ONE OVER AND OVER THEN CALL ME WHEN YOU FIND THE END DEAD AND GONE BUT FUNNY NEVER SHOULD HAVE MESS WITH ME !THE NEW WAVE CHOICE….

By dodacrazy

December 19, 2006 07:53 AM | Link to this

ok people here is a case of our 14th amenment they right to voice ones opioion and to speak the truth scared DDN THE TRUTH People do your searches check Cox’s media out they support children porn on aol and there mag,they stole your money you gave from your heart to support schools and our elders they are scum bags listen they runtv and the paper they control our government they employee drug dealers and prositutes search your computers your find the truth come on DDN who stole my modul and had

By dodacrazy

December 19, 2006 07:21 AM | Link to this

Well Sharon got your tag and I also welcome your thoughts make your move but let me warn you I know most of them small world but nice friends and gee did you not do your homework lick lick you must be hey take ur crap in somebody else yard i am not done yet some you walk on but guess this time it will not and death is the answer before i stop got that..thinking about having some friends at local colleges print some news reports with facts this should start a national mess your choice lol

By dodacrazy

December 19, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

GO AHEAD AND PULL MY POST i WILL GO TO ANOTHER COMPUTER THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOU DDN AND WHAT YOU ARE ALL ABOUT LISTEN THIS COMPANY HAS DRUG DEALERS AND PROSITUTES DO THERE DIRTY WORK THERE BOSS COX’S ENTERPRISES IS THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF CHILDREN PORN SITES ON AOL ALSO THEY ARE SO CROOKIE THAT THESE SCUM BAGS HAVE BEEN STEALING YOUR HARD EARN MONEY THAT YOU BEEN DONATEING TO HELP THE SCHOOLS AND OUR ELDERS.They do not care about us its all about there greed and filthy ways

By Roger

December 19, 2006 06:59 AM | Link to this

There you go DDN now see what it is all about the peoples choice our forfathers die for the laws but the people guides them called choice now tell everybody what else your doing like working with drug dealers and prositutes and stealing the charites that we been given for children and our elders all this money and these scum bags have been pocketing the money.Tell them more about your boss COX’S ENTERPRISES he is the biggest supporter of children porn on aol and his magizenes they own half the n

By Roger

December 19, 2006 06:41 AM | Link to this

iTS CALLED CHOICE DDN NOW TELL THE PEOPLE WHAT ELSE YOUR DOING LET THEM KNOW WHO AND WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE UNDER YOUR CONTROL WHO YOU SUPPORT DRUG DEALERS AND PROSITUTES YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO YOUR CYBER BANDITS TO DESTORY ME PROVEN YOU WORSHIP THESE SCUM BAGS DDN IS STEALING YOUR CHARITIES FOR THE SCHOOLS THERE CONPANY COX IS A MAJOR SUPPLIER OF CHILDREN PORN ON THE INTERNET TELL THE TRUTH SCUM BAGS

By Roger

December 19, 2006 06:34 AM | Link to this

Well DDN have you seen what the people had to say we the people have servive for what our for fathers die for is the law but also of the people whiches for they our Americans and tired of the dangers we face today now confess what you are about greed and your drug dealers and other crimials that work for you your all about money and do not care about us see people from other parts of our country was trying to help me while you open the door to your general as posted IN your very own newspaper

By Daniel

December 18, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

McLin says Dayton homocides jumped from 34 in 2005 to 42 so far in 2006. OK MAYOR MCLIN - THAT WAS WHILE YOUR ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND GUN REGISTRATION CARD REQUIREMENTS WERE IN PLACE - HOW DID YOUR LOCAL LAWS HELP??? Prosecute criminals - not law-abiding citizens.

By pjw

December 15, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Banning guns of any kind affects only law abiding citizens, and anyone with even a third of a brain knows that. Criminals prefer unarmed victims. The “assault” weapon ban here in Columbus required registering said “assault” weapon with the city, and from that point on you could not legally sell the firearm. Also, when current owner died, the firearm had to be surrendered to the city, it could not be passed down to his heirs. This one was bound to fail, as the first two Columbus bans failed.

By John

December 15, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Ah, yet another ‘article of proof’ pointing to the fact that the Dayton Daily News is TOO CHEAP to hire a REAL JOURNALIST.

By POPEYE

December 15, 2006 06:25 AM | Link to this

The smoking laws sucks and i dont even smoke it is just away to take more freedom away from the american people. As a american we are slowly losing our rights to monoritys, americans dont have a right to freedom of speach,we live in the the united states of america we best keep english our main language not spanish. and the senator that is a musilum must be sworn in useing the bible not curin thas bull crap.

By Sharon Manion

December 15, 2006 01:54 AM | Link to this

The state has a right to overturn anything that the people have spoken against and desire to be done, especially in this case where the Second Ammendment of the US Constitution was clearly being violated. How many times do we need to exam the FACT that gun control of any nature hinders law abiding citizens and favors criminals, who can NOT LEGALLY ACQUIRE GUNS depending on their records. This is a final cheerio to Taft who has hopefully sealed his worthless future.

By Don

December 14, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

Continued from previous post. How can you think that a poll of a thousand and some residents conducted by an out of state entity possibly be a close representation of “the will of the people” of the state of Ohio. The senators chose to override because that is what their constituants wanted. That is the will of the people of this state. To the city of Dayton and the DDN I have one more thing to add ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh).

By Don

December 14, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

Hey DDN, you reported that the override was against the will of the people. Have you read any of these posts? If you have, you will notice that you were way off. Just go down the list of these posts and you will see the will of the poeple. That stupid poll done by that University in New York was the stupidist thing that I have read in a while, other than this article. See next post.

By Brian Miller

December 14, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Lovelace and McLin need to wake up. Only law-abiding citizens can get CCW licenses. I for one am glad it is one less law DAYTON city “leaders” can make. The people committing homocides AREN’T GETTING THEIR GUNS LEGALLY…HELLO?!?! MCFLY!! ANYONE HOME?!?! You people are the reason I don’t live in Dayton, but I do have to work here.

By tom

December 14, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Everyone asking why Taft is supporting the criminals are forgetting one important fact: Taft IS a criminal.

By Pearl

December 14, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

I believe the 80 or so local/city ordinances should be abolished and go with a universal state-wide gun law. Its a shame that day to day people have to worry about whether they are carrying their gun the right way or if their gun’s magazine holds one too many bullets. With the state overturning the local laws I can finally travel from city to city and not worry about being perfectly legal in Dayton but comitting a felony in Columbus. The ‘In Plain Sight’ update is great too.

By meagen

December 14, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

You know if Mclin believes in this so strongly, why doesn’t she fund it herself. Oh wait…she would rather spend our tax dollars. she is a moron and this article stinks of bias. I think this writer should go back to community college or get a job at Mcdonalds. DDN you suck and I am canceling my subscription.

By CityResident

December 14, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

That is a good thought Andrea..To hear from the police and their Chief. However, they are not allowed to voice their constitutionally given rights for certain risk of being fired/sanctioned…Oh, I forgot, that is what this is all about anyway…..

By GARY

December 14, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

I live in dayton,I do not think this change could make things worse here.

By pico

December 14, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

DDN is biased. I won’t buy this crappy paper anymore. I hope that this writer gets fired. He/she sucks. Quit stating your own opinion you moron. The public is tired of the media’s bias.

By kailey

December 14, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Power to the people! Down with the machine!

By billy

December 14, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

Mclin and the DDN writers should bend over and stick that would be water fountain up their rear.

By Skywalker

December 14, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

My kudos go out to Megan Stapleton for standing her ground and protecting herself and another against 2 armed, would be robbers. More enforcement of existing laws is what Dayton and the entire country needs focus on. Wake up America, gun laws do not stop the criminal element because they don’t care. Way to go Megan, another thief off the street!

By Andrea

December 14, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

How many other small town papers, such as the Dayton Daily News, have been described on national television by Fox News as “liberal” and “biased” in their reporting? The person(s) I would like to hear from is the Chief of Police-Dayton and our local police officers on the subject. Also, is the Dayton City Commission deliberately trying to chase more honest law abiding citizens out of the city by siding with the criminal element? - Amazing!

By Buccaneer

December 14, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Well, here we go again. Let us spend money fighting the government instead of crime. The ignorant law of “In Plain Sight” was because of the Ohio Highway Patrol”. This was simply a loop hole so they could peg another felony on you and then void you of the possibility of carrying. This town, is and always has been ran my idiots. How much did we spend on a water spicket? Oh, some call them fountains. How much did we spend on putting a statue of a PRIVATE here? why not on crime?

By CityResident

December 14, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Since when have criminals who use guns to shoot others, ie. drug dealers disputing, etc. ever cared if they had a firearm owner’s card or registered a weapon? Gun laws as they are in today’s society are mute, as only the law-abiding citizens obey them…Rare is it that gun’s are used to kill an “innocent” person, and when they are, it is usually domestic or a fit of rage incident where that person would have used anything to harm…The city should use their “fights” and funds elsewhere.

By april

December 14, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

DDN sucks. Period. The entire paper should be titled the Dayton Daily Op-Eds. An un-biased, non-liberal article in the DDN does not, and will never, exist. And Rhine McLin? Maybe I’ll get her some boots for Christmas and she can take a hike.

By don

December 14, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

it’s not the liciense gun holders who are doing the shooting, this negative feed back is only politics from locals. the police will tell you the way these laws are written now, they don’t understand them.

By OHIOSTEVE

December 14, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

The 80 local ordinances were unconstitutional. The home rule provision was for things NOT covered by state law which guns are. The local governments that believe their “tough gun laws” reduce crime should simply look at their own statistics to see that is wrong. A law that requires me to memorize over 80 different variations within the same state is ridiculous. It would be the same as your state issued drivers license NOT having the same rules in Dayton as it has in Cleveland.

By Ashley

December 14, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

And this writer is really biased. I hope they fire him and get someone who knows how to write an article.

By Ashley

December 14, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Mclin has flushed this city down the toilet. Now we have crack whores and pimps and home invaders and they are saying no protection against it. Why don’t we just bend over?

By katelyn

December 14, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Z,

Amen to all that you said. Their paper is really starting to suck.

Katelyn

By Mike

December 14, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

As a CCW permit holder and trained by the CIA. I yet see where a law abiding citizen has been a problem. The study shows the crime rate up in Dayton but how far up would it be if we did not have the CCW law in affect. The Dayton Mayor needs to purchase another silly hat only one that shows the truth. I guess I would not be concerned to walk the streets at night if I had Police Protection which are armed with guns also.

By Derek Smith

December 14, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Linking gun ownership to crime levels no longer works. Dayton is a prime example. Dayton is a dead city economically, there is no longer any manufacturing jobs for those who are unskilled. So without jobs and with addiction to drugs crime is committed, not in all cases though. So instead of fighting the tool fight the cause. Mclin is perhaps the worst mayor to ever set foot in Dayton.

By kelly

December 14, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Thanks granny,

I’ll be waiting for em.

Kelly

By Z

December 14, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Wow…the liberal slant at the DDN is really showing through in this article. And of course we get the usual whining editorial from McCarty as well. I’m glad I don’t waste money on a subscription to an expensive firelighter. Oh wait, then they will whine about me polluting the environment with my fireplace.

I think the Springfield home invasion proved how an armed citizenry can take care of crime.

By Me

December 14, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

Hey, pistol packing momma! This is gun totin’ granny!

If Dayton succeeds in their idiocy, we CCW gun toters will be on the outskirts in the safe suburbs with our arms aimed at the criminals that attempt to escape Dayton to invade our neighborhoods.

Beware! That’s just around the corner. Parkside homes is about to relocate their tenants into suburban government housing!

By kelly

December 14, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

All CCW citizens have went through rigorous background checks and training. If Dayton outlaws guns then they will have all the dumb drug addicted criminals carrying them and no educated citizens. DDN is a biased liberal newspaper and this article does not surprise me. This writer should be fired for his inability to write a balanced story. He/she will really hurt paper sales in the Dayton area. Criminals beware, pistol packing momma is back in town.

By Dan Kennedy

December 14, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Has anyone ever been charged with these local gun laws in Dayton? Were they even needed in the first place? Everytime the Mayor and Commissioners spend money to sent a smaller city like Dayton against the state is money that is not spent locally. They say they don’t have any money to help anyone make of of Citywide’s Arcade plans work, but they sure have it for trivial things like this. What about funding another Re-hab-a-rama in an historic neighborhood?

By Mr. Nugent

December 14, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

There are people in this world who just do not get it. Yet its so simple. Gun laws never, never, take guns out of the hands of the bad guys only the good. Had someone on the Long Island Rail Road a gun the day Collin Ferguson went insane, he could have been stopped.

The Good City of Dayton should work to take more bad guys off the street, not more guns. As goofy as its sounds, guns don’t kill; people do.

People need to stop turning to government to solve all their problems.

By Casey

December 14, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

I have read this article and are tired of you printing biased stories. I am not going to read your paper anymore. You are as close as a state run paper as I have seen. I will encourage others not to read your paper either. You really are biased and sorry.

By Me

December 14, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

What do you expect from drug addicted criminals in high places in Dayton?

LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WON ONE WITH THIS! WOO HOO!

By Carson

December 14, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

DDN is liberal. They are issuing biased articles. I hope that someone will take the time to actually read this piece of crap article. It would have got an excellent grade for a pursuasive paper down at the local community college. We aren’t stupid editors! Report the story and shove your opinions up your rectum.

By Billy

December 14, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Wow DDN really sucks balls. You guys are a bunch of biased morons. I say up yours Dayton, up yours DDN and Power to the People.

P.S. Maybe you should hire a new writer that knows how to not be biased if you want people to keep reading your crappy paper. Scumbag.

By John Colter

December 14, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

Wow. DDN has really outdone themselves this time. In this entire article there is ONE sentence discussing the supporters side of the story. The rest of the article is dedicated to the anti-gunners. Talk about lopsided, biased reporting! DDN, WAKE UP! Dayton city officials deserve ZERO sympathy from you or anyone else, their laws were flat out wrong. Why don’t you write an article titled, “Citizens celebrate gun law, restoration of basic rights?!?!”

By Brian

December 14, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. WHAT PART OF WELL REGULATED MILITIA DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

By W.H. Jamison

December 14, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

The current Dayton law seems not to have worked. Lovelace also wanted the local “predatory lending” regulations that also got overturned. The Ohio legislature is the voice of the people, the Dayton Daily Snooze is an overpriced rag. Citizens also vote with their feet, that is why the population of Dayton is dropping. Dayton’s socialist politicians are isolated and irrelevant, and are sealing the city’s fate as a third world city.

By Rich

December 14, 2006 07:27 AM | Link to this

Please don’t be so harsh on the mayor and city commission. Understand that they are acting like this to protect our interests. I’m soooooo proud of all of their accomplishments, and everyone else should be, too. I would like to have a “Thank You” party for the mayor and the city commission, to be held in the front lobby of city hall. Please, everyone show up so we can show them how we eagerly support their accomplishments.

By JR RICE

December 14, 2006 07:26 AM | Link to this

I would like to know HOW cities around this state or any other can supersede STATE LAW!! Dayton, Ohio has one of the worst crime rates in the nation, but our mayor and THE commision are upset that the Legislature finally pulled there heads out and did the right thing. That really sounds like a mayor that has the peoples best intrests at heart, maybe the criminals. WE that have a C.C.W. have ALL had background checks done and have no records at all. Criminals are the ones that dont follow laws.

By Nate McNealy

December 14, 2006 07:15 AM | Link to this

I get so tired of the DDN’s anti 2A spin on everything. See yesterday’s story on the “basketball star who was “gunned” down in a home invasion”. I usually see that word reserved for innocent victims of a crime, not the so called home invader who received his justice.

Good for Ohio on passing HB347. Shame on Dayton for wasting taxpayers money by fighting this in court. As others have said the so called “assault” weapons are defined by their apperance and not operation. The law is useless.

By les morehead

December 14, 2006 05:44 AM | Link to this

WHAT PART OF “SHALL NOT BE ABRIDGED ” DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ?

By Steve

December 14, 2006 04:46 AM | Link to this

You will never control crime by making it harder for law abiding citizens to own firearms. They are not the ones committing the crimes.

Dayton has strict gun control laws and their murder rate is going up.

You do not need new legislattion, enforce the criminal laws that are on the books.

Please leave the law abiding citizens alone.

By John

December 14, 2006 03:55 AM | Link to this

I’ve been in law enforcement for nearly 10 years now. During all of that time, I have NEVER encountered a law abiding citizen who has commited a gun crime. Why can’t liberals understand that gun laws which make it difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase and keep arms does absolutely nothing for the crime rate? As a police officer, I can assure you that we don’t need more gun control, We need criminal control!

By Steve

December 13, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

Instead of hindering law abiding citizens, why don’t the law makers go after the criminals in Ohio?

Gov. Taft has lost sight of the fact he is in office to support the will of the people.

The override of his veto shows that the people have spoken.

Let’s make the criminals lives miserable, not the law abiding citizens.

By Mark

December 13, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

Dear Painfultruth: Do you know what an ‘assault weapon’ is in Dayton? Or any other city? They’re different in each place (for the next 90 days or so). And just how many crimes have been committed with those weapons that could only be prosecuted by the local ordinances? Zero. Just as the clueless Dayton Mayorette seems to think that this strikes a blow to crimefighting, you seem to think that can suddenly now buy an ‘assult’ [sic] weapon. Only if you could anyway.

By painfultruth

December 13, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

Well, we can’t smoke anywhere, but we can buy assult weapons. Good thinking, people of Ohio. This would be comical if not so sad…

By Duffman

December 13, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

80,000 Ohio permits without any arrests or problems since the law went into effect. Our wonderful Dayton mayor needs to get her head out. The problem isn’t with law abidding citizens.

By billy

December 13, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Come and get papa bear. Power to the people! Down with the machine.

By brian

December 13, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

How is not letting cities make smoking laws any different than not letting cities make gun laws? Ohioans say it’s ok for a state-wide smoking law but not state-wide gun laws? This is why democracy is a sham and we should leave both up to the legislature.

By Nancy

December 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

People don’t realize that when you ban guns in the city, the bad guys don’t give theirs up.This just gives the rest of us an equal chance. The city and it’s gun ban have only produced the largest homicide rate in the county.I’m in law enforcement and I believe in people’s second ammendment right to carry.

By steve

December 13, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

About damn time the state grew a pair…It’s time to have one law and not 3hundred different laws for one thing…I say lets use what laws are already on the books and quit making useless laws to satistfy the socialist liberal nazi’s…..

By larry

December 13, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

taft is a a*s clown! and who were these ohioans the poll claims to have agreed with him? did they only poll the hand full of taft supporters? thank the lord he’ll be gone!! i’m a republican and he never represented my views or beliefs! lock-n-load!

By carson

December 13, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

Don’t be a slave to the man! Power to the people!!

By carson

December 13, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Taft is a scumbag. I voted for the sorry turd, but am glad that he is gone. Power to the people! Down with the machine!

By bob leath

December 13, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

I am a Reagan Republican who is also glad Taft is almost gone. I did vote for him but since then he has shown how poor a gov he can be. I dont feel he has done much to help the state bring in jobs and continues to ask for tax increases. He is considured the worst gov in the country. Well thats pretty close. I cant think of any thats worse.

By Greg Wilk

December 13, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

As Sen. Timothy Grendell explained to Sen. Eric Fingerhut on the floor of the Ohio Senate, “home rule” ordinances may not be in conflict with general laws of the state. The recently passed concealed carry reform bill makes explicit the legislature’s original intent in passing a concealed carry law; i.e., that it be a general law of the state. The General Assembly has not negated the right of home rule for municipal corporations (e.g., cities, townships, villages) to govern themselves.

By Marcos

December 13, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

A great day for the youth of Ohio!

With this over ride, we are one step closer to allowing students to carry concealed weapons in the schools, thereby making them safer from potential mass murderers and sexual predators.

NO MORE COLUMBINES!!

By John Johnson

December 13, 2006 07:54 AM | Link to this

Just another example, like the anti smoking law, of just approving laws without thinking through the pros and cons of the laws passing-when will we learn to think things through and take some time in our lawmaking??

By George

December 13, 2006 07:26 AM | Link to this

I was a Law Enforcement Officer in Ohio for 25 years. I have been a Florida resident for the past eleven years and I have had a Florida carry permit for fifteen years. Several years ago, prior to H.S. 218, I was visiting with my family in Centerville. During this visit I volunteered to drive to the airport in Columbus to pick up a family member. It was only after I entered the City of Columbus that I learned that I was carrying and illegal firearm because of the magazine capacity.

By Pluto

December 12, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

Local governments have no right in interpretation of the second admendment. Its simply not their place. Many of these gun laws are quite BS and infact do nothing but hurt law abiding citizens.

By Jim

December 12, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

Hi RayHH…

“Good enough for the City” is NOT good enough for the State because then we have a FEW making Law for Many. With that logic, “Good enough for ME is good enough for the Nation”! Ok, NO gun laws. And with the override they ARE making gunb law “standard across the State”.

By The Rooster

December 12, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

Yes, the Liberals always turn their nose up at “local control” by insisting on a bunch of “one size fits all” rules and regulations in terms of everything under the sun.

Ironic that they are all for “local control” when it comes to gun control.

Now if we can get rid of “local wage taxes” where some Kangaroo Mayor’s Court can possibly throw you in jail if you even owe $.02 (Loveland), then we would be getting somewhere.

By RAYHH

December 12, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

I find it amazing that there has not been ANY comments about the 80 struck down ordinances. One of these holds the gun owner responsible for the actions of his guns by children. What is the problem with safeguarding your responsiblity? Why have these locals not been researched to have them incorporated into the state laws? If they are good enough for the city, why are they not good enough for the state? Why not make gun laws standard throughout the state rather than the local area?

By Darrell Hamlett

December 12, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

I think you have your stats wrong. Most people were in favor of the over-ride, and the legislature should be commended for standing up to Governor Taft. Governor Taft should not have been allowed to stay in office after his criminal conviction, I think it’s great this is the first Ohio over-ride of a governor’s veto since 1977.

By Briarhop1

December 12, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Well now, I notice that the responses on this board are almost unanimous in support of the veto-override. Where are the Libs on this one? Too lazy to read the gun laws in the first place, or just to ignorant to read the MJ? I suspect Quinnipiac poll was rigged from the beginning. Didnt poll anyone outside of downtown Cleveland. Yer frend and faithful Ambassador (from the Briarhopper Republik) Briarhop1 in DC

By tom

December 12, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

Like all laws, this one has good parts and bad parts. The good parts include the removal of a couple of “poison pills” from the concealed-carry statute (including the open-carry-in-car requirement) and the elimination of 80 communist-motivated local gun laws. The bad parts include a nearly impossible-to-comply-with notification requirement, and now the OSP & FOP have several new little toy felonies to pass out with no real standard of evidence when they don’t like the person they’ve detained.

By J.Sanders

December 12, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

The article said” that 54% of the people agreed with TAFT Thats because that 54% can’t get a CCW licenses in Ohio.. Take a poll of all the CCW carriers we”ll see who agrees with TAFT. Taft has paid protection like all other politicians. our taxes pay to it. NO WONDER THERE DOWN ON CCW LICENSES. Give me a body guard and I’ll give up my CCW License.

By REV D.D.

December 12, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

WHAT ? DO I HEAR THE VOICE OF THE LIBERALS COMPLAINING ABOUT CITY AND COUNTY RIGHTS TO GOVERN THEMSELVES BEING INFRINGED ? THE SAME VOICE THAT SAID CITIES AND COUNTIES HAD NO RIGHT AS TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES AS TO IF SMOKING WERE TO BE PERMITTED OR NOT PERMITTED? BY WHAT RIGHT DO THEY DARE COMPLAIN,AFTER VOTING TO DO THE SAME THING?NO GOVERNMENT AT ANY LEVEL HAS THE RIGHT TO PASS A LAW OR ORDINANCE THAT GOES AGAINST THE STATE OR U.S.CONSTITUTION.THE OHIO GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS ENFORCING THE LAW!

By Gary Murray

December 12, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Great for the Ohio house and Senate, Wish I could have been their to thank them personally for protecting my right to self protection. I would also like to say thank you to the Republicans and Democrats alike for saying that the people of Ohio still have some rights.

By J.Sanders

December 12, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Taft has body guards, people like him don’t need to protect themselves Like all us law abiding CITIZEN do. Thank you to the SENATE thank you so much for looking after all us Citizen that pay taxes and have rights….

BYE BYE TAFT you abused us enough

By J.Sanders

December 12, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Thank you sooo much to our senate, Tafts a JOKE. Now how about canceling the law that says we gotta have then in sight while were in our cars. THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE SENATE Finally someone backs the people not there pockets

By Donnie Smith

December 12, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

I agree completely. Now when I ride the bus or ride my motorcycle I don’t have to wear my weapon in the open.

By Doug Fay

December 12, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

Finally, Ohio has it right! Now I can drive through Ohio without worrying that I might commit a felony because I’m not aware of the stupid provincial laws. For “cat” who is afraid that the person in the next car might be carrying: remember, that person passed a background check, and has some training,and respects firearms and the use of deadly force. Congratulations OHIO! A native son.

By Jim

December 12, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Another problem partly associated with having communities write their own gun laws is it actually aids the current anti-gun effort to strip U.S. citizens of their firearms by multiplying the number of “crimes” that are labeled felonies. Felony conviction strips a person of their firearms rights and so the anti-gun effort is to simply increase the number of “felonies” on the books. Back door approach but it’s working and few pro-gun Folks have caught on to it… yet.

By George

December 12, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Many thanks to the Ohio senate. Looking back over the Taft years, I’m not sure who was the bigger idiot - Taft for some of his mindless views, or me for voting for him.

By Jim

December 12, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

The survey was done by an out-of-state group (from anti-gun Conn., I think) and it was of slightly more than 1000 people which is a ridiculously small % of Ohioans yet they claim it is accurate to within 3%. I don’t believe that. One problem with allowing local governments to make their own “firearm laws” stems from the possible local abuse of the 2nd Amendment, which is a Federal matter. Communities do not, and should not, have the right to override the Constitution/Bill of Rights.

By Bob Voigt

December 12, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Now if we could get rid of those signs on the doors of restaurants and other businesses. I agree with not having them in the bar area but if the business is primarilly a eating establishment then you should be allowed to carry it with you.

By Steve

December 12, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

This one of the best things that has ever happened to our state. Now these citys and towns can’t walk all over the law abiding people. This may knock some these citys and towns off their ivory tower thinking they can walk all over the law abiding people when ever they feel like it. I have lived in a small city for over 50 years and the last several years the city government has made life miserable with all their new rules. We elect but have no say.

By Mike

December 12, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Perhaps now the 80 localities can do more to combat actual criminals instead of trying to

create them from the law abiding citizens

(that have volunteered to a background check).

What a fitting send off for Taft. Man I just had to say that again Pat Henry!!!! We In Ohio can feel like a REAL AMERICANS…Theres more work to do.

I only live in Ohio because I have to.

By Jeff

December 12, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

I agree with the House and the Senate. Local gun laws (actually any gun laws!) really only affect the people that are going to obey them anyway. So, do criminals give up their guns because there’s a local law? Do robbers no longer stick-up convenience stores because there’s a “no guns” sticker on the door? Duane had a great point- look at the crime and murder rates in Dayton and Cincinnati. Guess the criminals forgot to obey all of those gun laws!!!

By BILL

December 12, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

WHO IN THE WORLD IS QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY???? WHERE IS IT LOCATED AND WHO DID THEY SURVERY ?? WHERE DO THEY LIVE?? SOUNDS LIKE A HOAX TO ME.

By Jeff

December 12, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

As a proud son of Ohio, now living in one of the most gun restrictive areas of the country - Chicago, Illinois… I have to say I’m very proud of the House and Senate of Ohio. I hope more states follow the path you are leading. I do agree that the state can over ride the municipality, in this case… absolutely.

I’m proud of you Ohio!! Oh… and GO BUCKS!!

By Briarhop1

December 12, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness the Legislature has more brains than the Governor. We have gone through the same thing here in Virginia and now we are once again free to defend ourselves without fear of prosecution for doing so.