By ironcastle

May 25, 2011 2:12 PM | Link to this

I do not patronize any establishment that is currently a “criminal protection zone” by law or by choice. If the restuarant carry bill is not signed into law I will simply patronize the ones that do allow legal firearms. Life goes on. While I can assure the anti-rights individuals that they have nothing to be concerned over if I happen to be sitting next to you in an establihment that does permit personal firearms on the premises. If I were you I would be much more concerned about that guy next to you that just got out of prison a couple of weeks ago and is illegally carrying that .45, that he obtained from a street dealer, and drinking boilermakers. But of course if this guy starts shooting up the place the cops will be there in just a few seconds to protect you and your family. So you have nothing to be conserned over right? Won’t happen to you, read the papers…better yet ask Rep Giffords. Then again, if I do happen to be sitting near you,the bill is signed into law, and it is legal for me to be carrying my personal firearm. In that case my actions to defend myself and my family might just save your life too. “Gun Control” The ability to hit WHAT YOU AIM AT all the time”!

By Keep Your Dang Roses

May 24, 2011 11:29 PM | Link to this

EVEN BETTER YET - Let’s prohibit alcohol from being served anywhere that a gun is being carried! Booze kills far more people than bullets.

By Howignurnt Aryu

May 24, 2011 11:24 PM | Link to this

When seconds count - the police are only minutes away. 2. Self defense is the number one human right. 3. The complete ignorance of the anti-gun people should be taxed and controlled. They should need a permit to spew out such stupidity. (If it’s ood for the goose…)

By Squirrellygirl

May 23, 2011 3:31 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the triple post. I only hit the submit button once…and there is no edit or delete key…BTW, I prayed to God that he would help me to forget what I watched on that show. It was so awful, but then I wanted to make sure everyone knows how important it is to be able to protect yourselves against the criminals. They have no problem breaking our laws, and with all of the overregulation by this progressive government, it enables these criminals further because it keeps law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves.

By Squirrellygirl

May 23, 2011 3:26 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the triple post. I only hit the submit button once…and there is no edit or delete key…BTW, I prayed to God that he would help me to forget what I watched on that show. It was so awful, but then I wanted to make sure everyone knows how important it is to be able to protect yourselves against the criminals. They have no problem breaking our laws, and with all of the overregulation by this progressive government, it enables these criminals further because it keeps law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves.

By Squirrellygirl

May 23, 2011 3:21 PM | Link to this

I like to watch those investigative shows on tv. There were these 3 men and 2 women who were at home when they received a knock at the door that changed all their lives. 2 thugs put them all through hell, making them all disrobe, locking up the men, they forced the two women to have sex with each other, and then each man separately was forced to have sex with both women, (one of the men refused and was brutally hit in the head and then still forced to have sex w/both ladies) and then afterwards both thugs did both women. Afterwards, the thugs took all 5 of them to an isolated spot and shot them all in the heads, and then ran their vehicle over all their bodies to make sure they were all dead. One woman lived because her barrett in her hair had deflected the bullet so that she didn’t die, and the snow softened the blow as the car ran over her body. When their vehicle disappeared, she lifted her head and checked on all her (dead) friends. She jogged over a mile nude in the snow to a home where the owner called for help. The path she ran was trailed with blood, she fell several times while running. When it was all over, only the woman lived (her boyfriend who was now dead was planning to propose to her, and the ring was stolen by the 2 thugs), went to court, identified the two men, who were given sentences of death. Just imagine this scenario if just one of them had possessed a gun.

By Squirrellygirl

May 23, 2011 3:18 PM | Link to this

I like to watch those investigative shows on tv. There were these 3 men and 2 women who were at home when they received a knock at the door that changed all their lives. 2 thugs put them all through hell, making them all disrobe, locking up the men, they forced the two women to have sex with each other, and then each man separately was forced to have sex with both women, (one of the men refused and was brutally hit in the head and then still forced to have sex w/both ladies) and then afterwards both thugs did both women. Afterwards, the thugs took all 5 of them to an isolated spot and shot them all in the heads, and then ran their vehicle over all their bodies to make sure they were all dead. One woman lived because her barrett in her hair had deflected the bullet so that she didn’t die, and the snow softened the blow as the car ran over her body. When their vehicle disappeared, she lifted her head and checked on all her (dead) friends. She jogged over a mile nude in the snow to a home where the owner called for help. The path she ran was trailed with blood, she fell several times while running. When it was all over, only the woman lived (her boyfriend who was now dead was planning to propose to her, and the ring was stolen by the 2 thugs), went to court, identified the two men, who were given sentences of death. Just imagine this scenario if just one of them had possessed a gun.

By Squirrellygirl

May 23, 2011 3:18 PM | Link to this

I like to watch those investigative shows on tv. There were these 3 men and 2 women who were at home when they received a knock at the door that changed all their lives. 2 thugs put them all through hell, making them all disrobe, locking up the men, they forced the two women to have sex with each other, and then each man separately was forced to have sex with both women, (one of the men refused and was brutally hit in the head and then still forced to have sex w/both ladies) and then afterwards both thugs did both women. Afterwards, the thugs took all 5 of them to an isolated spot and shot them all in the heads, and then ran their vehicle over all their bodies to make sure they were all dead. One woman lived because her barrett in her hair had deflected the bullet so that she didn’t die, and the snow softened the blow as the car ran over her body. When their vehicle disappeared, she lifted her head and checked on all her (dead) friends. She jogged over a mile nude in the snow to a home where the owner called for help. The path she ran was trailed with blood, she fell several times while running. When it was all over, only the woman lived (her boyfriend who was now dead was planning to propose to her, and the ring was stolen by the 2 thugs), went to court, identified the two men, who were given sentences of death. Just imagine this scenario if just one of them had possessed a gun.

By Quentin

May 23, 2011 11:20 AM | Link to this

Here is a good story on how a LOT of cops are. Not all thankfully but way too many are like this one. Listen to the audio too if you get a chance. Officer does NOT know the law, citizen doing nothing illegal but the officer draws on him anyway and cusses him out while he is trying point out it is legal and even gives the officer the law. Then they get pissed and charge the guy because his recording it is somehow “asking for trouble”? Nothing done to the officer who really did break laws and protocol though. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/21/altercation-philadelphia-police-say-wont-look-way-open-carry-gun-owners/?test=latestnews

By Quentin

May 23, 2011 10:50 AM | Link to this

I love how the antis on this all use insults and POSSIBLE things that COULD happen or project their own lack of personal discipline on gun owners. The very idea that some who are not government employees would actually be willing to defend themselves is just wrong in their eyes. This though there are plenty of stories right here in Dayton of CCW holders using guns to defend themselves instead of being dead like those who are against it would have them. I guess they feel a criminal getting a “fair trial” for murder is better than the victim being alive and the criminals dead?

By Perspective

May 23, 2011 8:03 AM | Link to this

@No Fun How nice of you to insult repeatedly LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Your post has to be the most stupid post ever.(Sorry I had to steal your own phrase) You make some staggering generalizations which are just wrong. As I’ve said before,the country would be a lot more polite if everyone carried a pistol on their side openly displayed. I’m sorry you are so insecure in your ability to be trained to properly carry and use a firearm. Just because you cannot be responsible is no reason to call people names.Grow up.

By No Fun When the Rabbit Got the Gun

May 22, 2011 7:31 PM | Link to this

This has to be the most stupid idea ever…well,next to eliminating collective bargaining…well, next to cutting funding to public education…Let me get this straight, in places where there are high levels of violence like nightclubs, it will now be OK to carry concealed weapons…one isolated shooter is bad, but to compound situations with the possibility of multiple unstable, slightly tipsy people carrying guns is now an ok idea? Why don’t we just revert back to the days of the Lone Ranger and the Wild Wild West…Poorly educated people with lots of guns and no hope of getting a job…sounds like an EXCELLENT idea…I THINK NOT

By Perspective

May 20, 2011 2:26 PM | Link to this

Well said Lthrnck!

By Lthrnck

May 20, 2011 1:03 PM | Link to this

“Consider the Consequences” Many times I have been asked or have read other people’s posting about what are the odds of me needing my firearm and that the odds are so low of something happening to me that it’s not worth the time to carry it. Well let’s “Consider the Consequences” for those actions or inactions. If we go under the assumption that the odds are so low that we will never be involved in some type of conflict, but we as responsible gun owners decide to ignore this logic, what are the Consequences? I go though my entire life, never having to use my fire. I am buried with my side-arm (this makes the Anti’s happy as there is one less gun on the streets) and the worst that has happened is it has cost me some extra time and money carry my firearm around for all these years. The Anti’s can come to my funeral and say, “Look he carried that gun around all these years and never used it, we told him so.” Now the other side of the coin…. The Anti’s don’t carry, as they state it’s not worth it. They may go though their entire life not needing it, just like I did… but if they are wrong… JUST ONCE … what is their consequence. I may be going to their funeral, or worse their wife or child’s funeral. Please remember one other issue… Most Pro-gun people DO NOT advocate that EVERYONE needs to carry a firearm. Most Pro-gun people advocate that EVERYONE should have the CHOICE to carry.

By Quentin

May 19, 2011 4:03 PM | Link to this

EXACTLY Charlie! The police RESPOND after the fact in most cases. It does no good to have a CCW permit if you can’t carry it anywhere to defend yourself. That is the way they are trying to do it and it is a big reason I have held off on getting mine.I have done a LOT of work that required having a firearm and a lot that doesn’t. Maybe those against guns so much should try doing something like unarmed security in some of these places and also try to do bail enforcement without it. Guns are a tool just like a tire iron or hammer or knife that are also used to kill people a lot. But like those tools, it has a proper use and to say that because one person can’t be trusted with them then no one should be trusted is bull.

By CharlieJ47

May 19, 2011 2:24 PM | Link to this

Where were the police when I was assaulted? Where were the police when my wife was threatened? Where were the police when my property was invaded? Where were the police when my vehicle was vandalized? Where were the police when the man was robbed and shot outside of Applebee’s? Where were the police when the nurse was stabbed in the parking lot? Where were the police when I was accosted on a public sidewalk?

By RH TechniCall

May 19, 2011 9:18 AM | Link to this

Interesting how alot of less educated people in this matter think it is a NEW ideal. Here is a map of current states that ALREADY ALLOW concealed carry in Restaurants/Bars: ohioccw.org/images/stories/rc_map.png NOTICE ALL THE GREEN STATES, we have heard all over the news about the rampant bar shooting right? ANSWER = NO I hope Kasich can get this signed into law so I can stop taking my tax dollars over to Kentucky where I can have a nice dinner and feel safe doing it WITHOUT drinking.

By Bear

May 19, 2011 12:07 AM | Link to this

For the dumbsses on here: Note that the law only applies to bars and restaurants combined. Not standalone alcohol serving bars. So what one might could do is take all the family to dinner at what is considered a nice restaurant with a bar in the next room and have your underaged children there with you. I doubt it would disturb the drunks all that much. For the protesters, get your heads out of your ases and learn about the wording of the proposed law before you continue to demonstrate your stupidity.

By Quentin

May 18, 2011 6:07 PM | Link to this

Ok, I am a disabled veteran, spend a lot more time shooting than 95% of police officers and also not only have training but also actual experience in using a firearm is high stress situations. But for some reason people think that I should not be allowed to carry as I am not to be trusted. But they DO trust criminals to hit their intended target and also anyone with a badge though we can find plenty of corrupt police officers. I rarely go to bars but do like to go out for a nice dinner with my wife and guess what, most of the places you don’t have screaming brats happen to serve alcohol too. I also do the designated drive bit from time to time and I just don’t drink at these places. I have seen plenty of cases though where some drunk idiot starts attacking people of a group of them attack someone in a drunken rage and put these people in a life threatening situation. The police rarely catch them because they attack and run. But hey, I shouldn’t be allowed to protect myself from idiots like that no matter how much training and how good I am because some others who can’t control themselves think I can’t either.

By up North

May 18, 2011 6:01 PM | Link to this

For those of us who decide to protect ourselves by obtaining a license to carry a concealed handgun…try not to even argue with these idiots against it. I would ask all the anti-gun types to produce for me stories where the police were called and they prevented a rape. Where they prevented a robbery. Where they prevented a late night break into someones home. They are far and few between. Not a knock on cops at all. They “investigate” after the fact. They are not parked in your driveway all night waiting to protect you. On the other hand, you can find hundreds of stories where a law abiding armed citizen defended himself and/or another. If I can’t carry my handgun, people should not be allowed to have fire extinguishers in their house. After all…why do we pay for a fire department? Let the fire department prevent my house from burning down. Let’s get rid of all the portable defibrillators. After all…the ambulance is just a phone call away. Now you can see my reason for wanting my handgun. It is nothing more than a tool like a fire extinguisher of defibrillator. By the way…I pack and eat with my family at Bob Evans ALL THE TIME. Be afraid….be very afraid!

By Eric

May 18, 2011 6:00 PM | Link to this

Drink & Dive - If you cannot control your drinking then you shouldn’t own any firearms in the first place.

By Up North

May 18, 2011 6:00 PM | Link to this

For those of us who decide to protect ourselves by obtaining a license to carry a concealed handgun…try not to even argue with these idiots against it. I would ask all the anti-gun types to produce for me stories where the police were called and they prevented a rape. Where they prevented a robbery. Where they prevented a late night break into someones home. They are far and few between. Not a knock on cops at all. They “investigate” after the fact. They are not parked in your driveway all night waiting to protect you. On the other hand, you can find hundreds of stories where a law abiding armed citizen defended himself and/or another. If I can’t carry my handgun, people should not be allowed to have fire extinguishers in their house. After all…why do we pay for a fire department? Let the fire department prevent my house from burning down. Let’s get rid of all the portable defibrillators. After all…the ambulance is just a phone call away. Now you can see my reason for wanting my handgun. It is nothing more than a tool like a fire extinguisher of defibrillator. By the way…I pack and eat with my family at Bob Evans ALL THE TIME. Be afraid….be very afraid!

By Drink and Dive

May 18, 2011 5:49 PM | Link to this

If you’re too scared to go out in public without a gun, stay home! I am a gun owner myself but do not feel the need to take my pistol with me everywhere I go. Just like anything else, there is a right place and a right time for everything. How many times have I been faced with a criminal wanting to do me harm in public? Never! If I did, me having a gun would probably lead to a worse conclusion than just letting my wallet go. And who the hell goes to a bar and doesn’t drink?! Give me a break. You all know damn well that at least 90% of people in bars are there to drink. If you want to be in a bar and have your gun, move to one of the states that allows it! I don’t care how strict the CCW background check is, it means next to nothing when alcohol is added. NOBODY is thinking clearly when drinking. You all b***h about the right to bear arms- what about my right to flirt with your girl without worrying about that hand cannon hiding under your jacket?!

By Squirrellygirl

May 18, 2011 3:15 PM | Link to this

The progressives in power right now are trying to rewrite our laws so that you can only own a hunting gun. Did you know that? They are doing away with our rights one step at a time. Criminals have no problem carrying guns into bars or anywhere else. Why shouldn’t law abiding citizens at least have the right to protect themselves? It’s our law that we should. Don’t let these liberals take away any more of our rights.

By Joe Sixpack

May 18, 2011 3:07 PM | Link to this

@zman: Would you rather have the possibility that the CHL might accidentally hit a bystander.. OR do you prefer to let the gun man shoot till he’s out of ammo or here’s sirens and blows their own brains out? cause that’s typically how it goes. Do you blame the fireman for water damage while they put out the fire? think about it. PS: The cop’s also on occasion hit bystanders. we still allow them to carry guns. @JS: You need to go read the Constitution. “the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” In case you missed it the “keep and bear” part pretty much covers it all, and the they throw in a “shall not be infringed” at the end to seal it up. It doesn’t say “to keep and bear arms for X Y Z purpose”, no it simply says keep and bear meaning (no restrictions are presented) and “shall not be infringed” means none shall levey against it later.

By Bear

May 18, 2011 2:15 PM | Link to this

Being a CCW licensee, if I imbibe alcohol any place other than my home while armed and get caught, I have committed a felony. Why the hell would I risk prison, big monetary fines and the loss of my right to carry, just for the ability to get a few under my belt and make a fool of myself? I have always been aware that the manufacturing plants, airborne chemicals and such around Dayton severely restricted the common sense of a high percentage of the population. What I didn’t realize ‘til now is that God is at fault…He/She is at fault because He/She gave most Daytonians just what they gave billy goats: A hard head and stinking a*s.

By Chalky_White

May 18, 2011 1:11 PM | Link to this

@Larry..spoken like a true b!+@h,be careful what you hope for, karma may have you on the business end of semi auto instead of someone else’s family member. This is not the “guns in bars bill”…last time I checked that was only a portion of the bill. Funny how people pick that one part out and go on a crusade. Stop being sheep and read the legislation for yourself before you start grand standing. Those of you calling others stupid may want to do a double take in the mirror.

By Dave44142

May 18, 2011 1:10 PM | Link to this

i sure hope this change in the law will take place. it is a problem to arm and disarm every time you want to go to an Ohio restaurant.

By Don M

May 18, 2011 12:55 PM | Link to this

What is proposed here, and much more, has been legal in Pennsylvania for decades. It’s even legal — gasp — to have a beer with your dinner at Applebee’s. It’s also true in other “wild-west” states like New York and Massachusetts. Really. I’ve never heard anyone suggesting adding restrictions, because we have no “blood in the streets” or shootouts down at Miss Kitty’s saloon. These are the same tired old predictions (the Brady Campaign and VPC web sites are full of them) that have repeatedly failed to materialize over the past couple of decades. But if you say them loud enough and often enough, they somehow become “common sense.” The people you really need to worry about are carrying today and couldn’t care less about your laws.

By Larry

May 18, 2011 12:49 PM | Link to this

Im not an anit gun rights person. But it is STUPID to carry a gun in a bar where people are drinking. Who is to say that the licensed gun owner wont drink? STUPID!!

By larry

May 18, 2011 12:45 PM | Link to this

This is the most stupid bill. Why would anyone want to carry a gun in a bar where people are drinking? If you feel so unsafe, keep your a#@ at home! I guess its up to bar owners to install metal detectors to keep these scary idiots out of the clubs. This is an accident waiting to happen and I hope its one of the family member of someone who carrys a concealed weapon.

By osteve

May 18, 2011 12:09 PM | Link to this

There was a study done a while back concerning people with an unreasonable fear of guns ( most posting against this bill) it was determined that the catalyst behind their fear is the belief that THEY would react in an unsafe and dangerous manner if a gun were present in a given situation. Therefore they assume that everyone would do the same. In this case for example, they assume that THEY would be unable to refrain from drinking if in a bar so they assume everyone else cannot refrain either. It fascinates me to read the complete stupidity that comes from the anti side. NOTHING They say is based in fact and is always knee jerk emotionalism.

By Tom

May 18, 2011 12:00 PM | Link to this

I’m so tired of the liberal media calling this the “guns in bars” bill. That is but a portion of the bill. I’m more concerned with removing the ridiculous vehicle carry restrictions. If I’m permitted by law to carry a concealed handgun in my pocket while walking down the street, then why do I have to have it in a holster if I’m in the car? It can be not visible in the glove box or the console, but if it’s not visible under the seat it has to be in a locking case. If it is in a visible location it has to be in a case that zips or snaps. What idiot wrote that? I can legally carry a concealed handgun so what difference does it make how I carry it in my car? If I was the type of person who would shoot a police officer for pulling me over, then I wouldn’t get the permit which warns him that I have it when he runs my identity. These arguments are all academic relating to what law abiding citizens will do. Remember criminals don’t pay any attention to any of this, and do not apply for licenses. If I was the type of person to drink and pull out a gun I would just do it. Again, why would I obtain a permit to behave in a criminal fashion?

By Squirrellygirl

May 18, 2011 10:19 AM | Link to this

“There are already enough bar shootings in this area….we really dont’ need to add fuel to the fire.” Um, criminals will always have their guns. This question is whether nondrinking law abiding citizens will also be permitted legally to carry theirs. And BTW, nothing stops a criminal in their tracks like a bullet. That’s right. Now, if you can figure out a way for the CRIMINALS not to be able to carry their guns where they want, then we can discuss this issue.

By Phil

May 18, 2011 10:19 AM | Link to this

“Men pretending to be tough guys, in t-shirts, jerseys and ball caps.” That pretty much says it all from this b***h. Talk about living in the 40’s. Why dont you pull your head out of the sand and wake up. Why don’t you research how this has worked in other states. And if you think only guys “in t-shirts, jerseys and ball caps.” are the dominate conceal and carry CITIZEN’s — Then you are the fool here. The gutless criminal isn’t nearly as likely to pull his/her gun if they think everyone around them ‘might’ be armed too. Remember they are gutless after all.

By Siobhra DeWar

May 18, 2011 10:09 AM | Link to this

In my state (PA) we can carry in bars and we can drink. It has been that way for years and it has never been a problem, never! It is the same in other states that allow it. Before someone has to give up a right it should be the burden of the state to prove a need. All the proof shows no need to restrict.

By children, children, stop

May 18, 2011 9:52 AM | Link to this

I read all of these posts. The first thing I want people to do is go back and read “squirrellygyrl“‘s shortsighted post. Only two options? You need to pull your head out of the 1940’s. This is what law enforcement knows, the law abiding citizen is far less likely to shoot. The felon that pulls the gun has a lot more intent to use and now has a reason to use. Scenario three, Dead dumby/hero with several other people injuried. This gun conversation is an extension of the suppression of thought and civility as well as the lack of maturity in many segments of society. Men pretending to be tough guys, in t-shirts, jerseys and ball caps. Furthermore by continuing thoughtlessly we allow politicians to tell us that this law is for protection but it is really about keeping you scared. The news media feeds it. Fight back

By Realthinker

May 18, 2011 9:50 AM | Link to this

Why do so many people continue to believe the ccw holder will drink while carrying? Because the DDN, a wholly owned sudsidiary of the Democrat party, is deliberately giving that impression by labeling this the “guns in bars” bill. The license holder may not drink while carrying. They are the most law abiding citizens in the state and have passed a rigorous background check to prove it, another fact you will not get from the DDN. And yes, they have received training in handling stressful situations, another fact of the ccw training you aren’t learning about from the unreasonably biased DDN and the rest of the mainstream media.

By Ironmyke

May 18, 2011 9:35 AM | Link to this

Sign the bill, Mr K. — the state needs more jobs —even if they will be in the funeral industry. Guns in bars is an adult version of kids playing with matches.

By Former LEO

May 18, 2011 9:20 AM | Link to this

Opponents of this bill point out that restaurants will post signs banning weapons. Great news - as it stands now, CHL licensees often can’t tell whether the place they want to enter is prohibited or not, as there is no way to tell unless you know what liquor license they have. Want to post your restaurant ?? Feel free !! Then I can know for sure that you don’t trust me in your establishment, and I can take my business down the road. This is exactly why the Restaurant Association opposed the bill. They DON’T want their members to have to make a decision that they’ll be held responsible for. The restaurant owners want to blame the legislature, but now, if this bill goes into law, they actually have to be held responsible for their own decisions ?? Fancy that !! Take a look around you. There is NO STATE where this has been a problem. The libs screamed the same “doom and gloom” predictions with this bill that they did when Concealed Carry was first enacted in Ohio - “blood in the streets”, “OK Corral”, etc., etc. Didn’t happen, did it ?? Won’t happen here, either.

By JS

May 18, 2011 9:09 AM | Link to this

I love the Second Amendment, however, it’s the most misunderstood amendment. It says nothing about owning guns for personal safety or protection of property, but that’s the reason it gets supported so much. Fear-based politics. Here’s some fear for you.. the easier it is to get a gun, the more places you can carry it, the more reasons you’ll need it. Self-fulfilling prophecy. You’ve scared yourselves into your own corner, and now you HAVE to have a gun at all times. Fear.. makes you easy to manipulate. Makes you weak. Makes you dependent. You think your gun sets you free, but it just makes your world smaller. BTW.. I own firearms, so don’t go thinking I’m something I’m not. I just don’t need a gun on me at all times because I don’t fear.

By smokinjoe99

May 18, 2011 9:03 AM | Link to this

people kill people not guns a armed citizen is a survivor a unarmed citizen is a statistic Florida is a concealed state and so far only survivors from taking action . if you are ever assaulted think how quick that cop can get there or would you defending your life yourself be quicker . a person can walk in anywhere and start shooting . even though criminals are stupid i bet most are not carrying a firearm permit if fact criminals do not care and go to great extremes to have their gun untraceable . why take a chance with your life even if you never pull the trigger it acts as a deterrent to crime and just may some day save your life while waiting for the cops will not

By x

May 18, 2011 8:47 AM | Link to this

Since the Ohio Bar & Resturant Assoc has come out against this law, you can bet there will be a lot of bars/resturants who will not allow it in their establisments anyway. And if your caught carrying in a posted non carry resturant/bar(even if you’re not drinking) you’re going to jail and losing your precious ability to CCW in the first place. By the way- I dont feel any safer since they passed the CCW law- I dont expect to feel any safer in my fav bar once they pass this law.

By Rich

May 18, 2011 8:44 AM | Link to this

It works in 40 other states including all states that boder Ohio. Why would Ohioians be any different. END OF STORY

By zman

May 18, 2011 8:41 AM | Link to this

Okay- so a madman walks in the bar and starts shooting people at randon. One of our “law abiding citizens” pulls his own gun, and starts returning fire, and actually hits and possibly kills the guy. However, our “hero” also hits and kills a bystander as well. Is he a hero?? Or a Murderer?? The reason I dont want the guns in the bars is simple-CCW are NOT trained like police officers on how to handle high stress situations when in comes to shooting. There are way too many X factors involved, and too much of a chance for more innocent people to get caught in the crossfire. I am all for gun ownership and I got no problem with CCW as a whole.

By Katrina

May 18, 2011 8:31 AM | Link to this

I, for one, do not want guns in bars. I have no problem with people owning them or carrying them, but I used to bartend and I’ve seen the nicest people get mean and nasty when they drink. There are already enough bar shootings in this area….we really dont’ need to add fuel to the fire. And just because YOU don’t lose all rationality when you drink doesn’t mean the idiot on the barstool next to you reacts the same way.

By Squirrellygirl

May 18, 2011 8:31 AM | Link to this

The way I see it you have two decisions with two different results here: 1) no guns allowed, victim dead, cop shows up after incident or 2) guns allowed, criminal thwarted, victim alive, cop shows up after incident. Do you see the difference? At least the victim has a chance if someone in the bar is there to stop the criminal. It’s a no brainer.

By Katrina

May 18, 2011 8:30 AM | Link to this

I, for one, do not want guns in bars. I have no problem with people owning them or carrying them, but I used to bartend and I’ve seen the nicest people get mean and nasty when they drink. There are already enough bar shootings in this area….we really dont’ need to add fuel to the fire. And just because YOU don’t lose all rationality when you drink doesn’t mean the idiot on the barstool next to you reacts the same way.

By Katrina

May 18, 2011 8:30 AM | Link to this

I, for one, do not want guns in bars. I have no problem with people owning them or carrying them, but I used to bartend and I’ve seen the nicest people get mean and nasty when they drink. There are already enough bar shootings in this area….we really dont’ need to add fuel to the fire. And just because YOU don’t lose all rationality when you drink doesn’t mean the idiot on the barstool next to you reacts the same way.

By Perspective

May 18, 2011 8:19 AM | Link to this

There is no reasoning with the anti-gun crowd. They hate firearms and feel that everyone else should too. They believe the govt. will take care of them but as others have said here,the police get there after the fact in most cases. It’s kind of sad how they lump all of us together and we are called rednecks,idiots,stupid,gun freaks,drunk idiots,scared idiots,small-d..ked idiots,drunken redneck,etc. All these insults were made in this comment section towards LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Why don’t you anti-gun people hurl your insults at the criminals instead of someone who is obeying the law. I said it before,will some CCW permit holder break the new law if it passes? I’m sure there will be someone who will but they should be and are handled on an individual basis. Carry and drink and it’s a felony and you lose your license to carry.The permit holders I know don’t drink much and some not at all.FACTS from other states that allow this show that there will not be “blood running in the streets”. If an establishment doesn’t want CCW permit holders to carry in their establishment then all they need to do is post a sign and permit holders cannot carry in that place of business,it’s simple. So quit with all the hating against people who obey the law,save it for the criminals.

By Squirrellygirl

May 18, 2011 8:14 AM | Link to this

“I’m a big Second Amendment fan,” — me, too!

By herb

May 18, 2011 8:03 AM | Link to this

Regardless of what he said, Kasich is certainly no fan of the 2nd Amendment.

By rainmaker

May 18, 2011 8:00 AM | Link to this

A bar/resturant can post a “no guns” sign, and carry is illegal for everybody - period. If “bar” owners (as mentioned in articles and editorials) are uncomfortable with guns, just post and increase your awareness a little. If a CHL holder drinks while carrying, they lose their license and face jail time. Few, if any, who have gone thru the requirements to get a CHL are going to risk it all by violating this law. Why do people assume the CHL holders in Ohio will act differently than those in other states where there has been virtually no problem with resturant carry?

By Jarard Samuelson

May 18, 2011 7:08 AM | Link to this

I am for the right to carry into a bar. The public has a right to defend themselves. Obama’s plan to create a private military sounds to me like a plan to enhance his socialist/marxist visions. I vote NO for Obama 2012. Yes, I hope the governor supports this carry into bars bill.

By Texan

May 18, 2011 6:40 AM | Link to this

What is all the hubbub about people carrying in a restaurant? Having a CHL holder in a restaurant might even save your own life. I am a Texan and have watched this debate with some interest. We passed a CHL law (what you call CCW I think) about 16 years ago, and one of the major reasons that the CHL law was first passed in Texas was a madman killing a lot of folks in a Luby’s restaurant in Killeen in 1991 - he just drove his truck through the front window, got out and started shooting patrons. A woman eating with her parents actually had a pistol in her glove compartment in the parking lot, but did not carry it in her purse since that was illegal. Result - she had to watch the murder of both parents. The lady made it out when someone broke a window, but her Dad had tried to disarm the murderer and was killed, and her was also killed went she to her husband’s side. The daughter testified about this to the Legislature during the 1995 debate, and told them how she was certain that if she had had a pistol in the restaurant that she could have shot Hennard and saved a lot of lives. Her moving testimony convinced a number of legislators to change their position to support the CHL law, and helped to ensure it was passed. In Texas, we don’t allow concealed carry in bars and businesses which make more than 50% of their sales from serving alcohol must post a large sign at entrances, but we certainly do in restaurants and other businesses whether or not they serve alcohol - and there has been zero problem with this. If the Ohio CHL background checks are anything as thorough and tough as Texas, you can trust your CHL holders. Several hundred thousand Texans got their CHL in the first few years (up to about 500,000 now), and statistics from the National Center for Policy Analysis as well as Texas Department of Public Safety - our State Police show that we CHL holders are many times less likely to be arrested for a violent offense and 14 times less likely to be arrested for a non-violent crime than non-CHL-holders. Most of the convictions in the DPS report look like this: burglary of a habitation : total convictions 4738, convictions of CHL holders 0; or burglary of a business : total convictions 4231, convictions of CHL holders 1. Pundits and folks opposing CHL predicted the usual “blood in the streets” but were proven wrong. I even saw a few letters from opponents on this - a former District Attorney of Harris Co (Houston) said “… I was very outspoken in my opposition … I was wrong … experience in Harris County has proven my initial fears absolutely groundless.” A president of a large city Police Association “I lobbied against… thought it would lead to wholesale armed conflict. That hasn’t happened… I think it’s worked out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I’m a convert.” As another poster said “When seconds count, the police are just minutes away” but I like this one : “I carry a gun because a cop’s too heavy.”

By Navin Johnson

May 18, 2011 6:28 AM | Link to this

After reading these posts, I’m convinced that the anti CCW crowd doubt the CCW carrier can actually abstain from alcohol in a bar, because they know they can’t. They know they are too irresponsible, lack self control, so they believe everyone is the same. That is why they see no problem with freedoms being taken away one by one. They invite the nanny state to step in to take the responsibility to protect them. They mindlessly assume that can be done, when history proves time and time again it cannot.

By Joe Sixpack

May 18, 2011 1:43 AM | Link to this

Always with the “guns and alcohol dont mix” Well I tell ya brothers and sisters.. I never touch the stuff. My guns however are protected under the 2Amendment of the United States Constitution. IT is also protected under Ohio state constitution. Alcohol however is not, I say we ban alcohol and then everyone can shut up about it. Would suit me just fine, Course I think a drink now and then is just fine if someone wants it but hey if you wanna Pull it out and measure it, make a big deal out of it. Then let’s just rid our selves of this nasty mind warping, demon spawning substance called alcohol and then there wont be any argument about me carrying my gun. Sound good?

By Chalky_White

May 18, 2011 1:38 AM | Link to this

@mymindisclear, what will really be stupid is the look on your face when one of these hardened criminals walks up on you and puts a .45 to your head and makes you soil your diaper. It ain’t the gun rights supporters you should be most worried about. The overwhelming majority of us are responsible law abiding citizens not anti-gov sovereigns like someone stated earlier. Flamethrower….? LMAO…WOW! Not gonna touch that….too easy! The whole stupid rednecks with guns is so off base, I’m as far from a redneck as you can get and I am with degree, kill the juvenile stereotyping, please. Some things are better left unsaid.

By mymindisclear

May 18, 2011 12:20 AM | Link to this

Hey..what about my flame thrower…I should have a right to carry my flame thrower into any bar or food place! Flame throwers don’t burn people…people burn people….I want my flame thrower rights! That is how dumb this argument is…guns and alcoholics sounds like a great mix if you want to go back to the old western days! Stupid gun rights people!

By Logical

May 17, 2011 11:28 PM | Link to this

For all those who have expressed their baseless fears about allowing responsible people to carry in restaurants (rather than just criminals like it is now), explain why those things have not happened in the states that have allowed this for years. The problem is the criminals who already carry anywhere they please. Why doesn’t that bother you?

By Scoutmaster

May 17, 2011 11:22 PM | Link to this

The one argument I keep hearing against this law is some form of ‘Guns and Alcohol do not mix’ or ‘drunks with guns’ or ‘they WILL drink armed regardless of the law’. I to all these posters I can only answer. How do you suppose that I was able to pass a background check? The answer is: I am a law abiding citizen who can control my impulses and seeks always to obey the law, avoid conflict and trouble. I will not be going to any place (bar or other place) where I think I WILL need my gun. Those kind of place sane and careful people avoid. But I will ‘Be prepared’ if I am out to eat with my family and some criminal seeks to do me or mine harm.

By Scriz

May 17, 2011 10:37 PM | Link to this

@Guns N’ Roses - Yes thats exactly what I feel. I shouldn’t need to rely on Law Enforcement to protect me, I should be able to protect myself. It takes time for police and EMS to get there, I’d rather not have to “wait” for my life to be saved.

By Quentin

May 17, 2011 9:47 PM | Link to this

The difference in the arguments pretty much says it all. Those for it point to the fact it is already allowed in most states and there have been no real problems. Those opposed use the insults, scare tactics of MIGHT happen here different than the other states with it and of course spamming. Most amusing is all the talk about idiots and rednecks though the most avid gun owners I know tend to be the mild mannered and nonthreatening IT people with degrees, tons of extra schooling and certifications that would be able to out think and out so those who are saying CCW holders and other gun owners are stupid rednecks.

By Neman43

May 17, 2011 9:43 PM | Link to this

To drunk and armed: read the bill. you aren’t supposed to drink if you are carrying in a bar. here is the kicker, the criminals aren’t paying attention to any of the laws. you know what that means? educate yourself before you comment next time.

By Cella

May 17, 2011 9:15 PM | Link to this

The NRA and the Republican party have brainwashed this country of idiots in utter nonsense. Sovereign citizens are up 90%. This I hate the government, I will follow no rules, I hate the police, is a direct result and having people think they are going to take their shot gun used in hunting. (They are coming for your guns) mantra which is so stupid.

By Drunk & Armed

May 17, 2011 8:43 PM | Link to this

For all you responsible CCW folks: It’s great that we can have people like you to be mature and smart enough to have a gun in public with no incidents. But do you really think EVERY CCW holder is as responsible as you?! Come on, it’s plain common sense. Hell you might be the most responsible person in the world sober, but how many people do you know that stay responsible and level headed when smashed? Everyone bitched about second hand smoke enough to ban smoking in public. Well a little leftover Marlboro is a hell of a lot healthier than the crossfire of some drunken redneck that’s gotta prove his “gun” is bigger than anyone else’s!

By Randy

May 17, 2011 8:36 PM | Link to this

TO RHONDA……Do you realize that those “felons” that carry guns into that bar or restaurant currently, don’t CARE if it is illegal to carry a gun in there NOW??

By Joe Sixpack

May 17, 2011 8:33 PM | Link to this

@Richard You might have been a bartender for 25 years but you was’nt doing your job, You’re suppose to cut people off before they become falling down drunk, You cite drinking and driving well what did you do to help prevent it? nothing… You like every other bartender will keep serving as long as the money keeps flowing.

By Chalky_White

May 17, 2011 8:00 PM | Link to this

You people that oppose this should be worried about the criminal element that already carries handdguns into every establishment regardless of law. I myself have been a victim of some low life attempting to rob me and take my car after sitting in the booth next to me. I am totally pro 2A but far from a gun zealot. It’s not about being scared either as some suggest, I am fully capable of handling myself if it came down to a physical altercation but as we all know criminals prefer to SHOOT, so I am evening the odds for the protection of my family and me. If you think gun toting predators are not inside and outside bars and restaurants waiting to prey on the innocent sheep as they walk through a dark parking lot, you are delusional. Why don’t you ask some of the unfortunate people who have lost family members to the hands of some guy hell bent on taking everything you,in a restaurant, have at all costs. There are plenty of sad examples out there. I’m not going to be a willing victim, I work too hard for mine, hell I may be in a position to save one of you bashers someday…just food for thought.Like the saying goes, when seconds matter the cops are only minutes away. More than 40 states allow carry in these type establishments and none of them report any of the rampage some of you think will come to Ohio. Shows what some of you people think of your fellow citizens of this state.

By Stealth-1

May 17, 2011 8:00 PM | Link to this

I think everyone is over reacting. For the naysayers,has there been a shoot out in any of the places you were eating? Have you ever notice anyone carry a weapon were you eating? Last,but not least,Did you report it to the management, or may your bill and leave because you felt threaten.

By Scared?

May 17, 2011 7:57 PM | Link to this

Richard, the bartender, says I’m a “scared idiot”. I’ll be sitting in front of Richard with a Colt .45 Model 1911 in my sling…what should I be “scared” of?…Richard with his .38? No..I’m comfortable that he’s armed. He has a right to protect himself…and he’s the one offering mood altering alcohol for sale. I’ve gone through hoops/investigation/training for my CCW. After the assault on me in 1981 that almost killed me, (unprovoked..out of nowhere), and the legal nightmare I went through because I used a .357 to stop the assault by a stranger (on my front porch, half in my house), I am pleased I may now protect myself immediately, anywhere, when attacked. I will never be the agressor…but I will stop life threatening aggresion towards me and my loved ones….and a stranger that has their life threatened. Remember, the cops will be there in a minimum of two minutes after you’re bleeding out on the ground/floor. Been there…done that…stopped further damage and my death with a .357. Simple…but violent, folks. I’m alive due to self defense…in a bar or not.

By clr

May 17, 2011 7:57 PM | Link to this

So, let me get this straight. I can have a concealed weapon in a bar or restaurant as long as I don’t drink alcoholic beverages. Do anyone really think that concealed weapon carriers are not going to drink while in bars? Hell, we can’t even stop people from smoking in bars! I guess that we did not learn from the late 1800’s in Dodge City that alcohol and gun powder don’t mix.

By null

May 17, 2011 7:29 PM | Link to this

“Yeeeeee-haw! I love this legislation better’n NASCAR! Take that, Obammy!!” Let the cousin-humping jamboree begin….

By MiamiCountyOpenCarry

May 17, 2011 7:29 PM | Link to this

If you have eaten at a restaurant in Indiana,Michigan,Kentucky,Pennsylvania, Tennessee,Georgia,Florida…..well you get the picture. You have more than likely eaten in a restaurant while others around you are armed with a handgun. In some of the 42 states where people can go out and eat armed, they can legally drink too.There are over 210,000 people with CCW licenses in Ohio. Chances are you have eaten in a restaurant while they are armed, and didnt even know it.

By Scared?

May 17, 2011 7:10 PM | Link to this

Richard says I’m scared? Why should I be scared! I have a .45 Colt 1911 in my pocket. The ones you need to be “scared of” Richard are the ones who haven’t gone through all the hoops/bells/whistles/training to get their CCW permit, you frickin’ idiot. If you need help in the I.D. department, Richard…the criminals.

By guns and idiots

May 17, 2011 6:40 PM | Link to this

I think everybody who wants to carry a gun in a bar should all draw down and eliminate each other. I think you’re all a bunch of small-d..ked idiots - I hope you all get your justified listing on the Darwin rolls.

By NavyChief

May 17, 2011 6:29 PM | Link to this

I have been licensed to carry a concealed weapon (handgun only in OH) since ‘96. I have regularly (NOT in OH) carried in establishments that happen to sell drinks in addition to serving food. So far - in fifteen years - I’ve yet to see a problem. To the comment, “…must feel LE cannot protect its citizens…” - as a matter of fact that’s exactly what I believe. That is not a slam against them. But unless you want to have one LEO assigned for every person in the country, no, they CANNOT protect us.

By Richard

May 17, 2011 6:18 PM | Link to this

I tended bar for 25 years. Last thing I want is a bunch of drunks with guns. Can’t drink and carry? Well, that will work as well as Don’t drink and drive. If you are so scared to go out to eat without a gun, get carry-out. This is stupid.You feel safe with that .38 in your pocket? I guess I have to buy a .357 to even the odds,right? Idiots. Scared idiots.

By Tim65

May 17, 2011 6:17 PM | Link to this

Regardless of whether you are in favor of the bill or opposed to the bill, everyone must be wondering how the bill, if signed, will be enforced. I doubt that anyone in any establishment who orders a drink will either reveal that he or she is carrying a gun or be asked if they are carying a gun. It’s sort of like the law against texting and driving. It is impossible to enforce.

By Bill

May 17, 2011 6:04 PM | Link to this

For those individuals against concealed carry in resturants such as Applebee’s, etc., why should I have to become a possible victim while eating out with my wife and family? Why shouldn’t I have the right to protect myself and family while trying to have a simple meal. Those that would be a threat to anyone are those that will ignore any law that keeps them from carrying a firearm illegally anywhere they go. Why do I have to become a victim if someone else chooses to cause a problem where I happen to be eating? I can protect myself and family while at home, while traveling Ohio highways and most other places I frequent, why not where I choose to eat? If you don’t want to carry concealed so you can protect yourself and family that is your choice, but let me choose for myself what I can do.

By Joe Sixpack

May 17, 2011 5:53 PM | Link to this

All the people complaining.. Assuming this makes it past the Governor Give it a month (more like a week) and you’ll forget all about it. Every prediction of “blood in the streets” Thus far has fell flat on it’s face.. This will be no exception.

By Bill

May 17, 2011 5:53 PM | Link to this

For all those people against concealed carry in resturants such as Applebee’s, etc., no one intends to be a victim when they go out to eat with family, but it does happen. Just read the various newspapers around the state and you’ll know what I’m talking about. For me I’ve carried concealed for several years and intend on doing so to be able to protect myself and family members if need be. If you don’t agree with that then fine, but don’t tell me and others we have no right to protect ourselves and family. If Appleebee’s and other places continue to restrict concealed carry after the law is changed, then I will go somewhere else to eat. My choice not theirs.

By Bill

May 17, 2011 5:53 PM | Link to this

For all those people against concealed carry in resturants such as Applebee’s, etc., no one intends to be a victim when they go out to eat with family, but it does happen. Just read the various newspapers around the state and you’ll know what I’m talking about. For me I’ve carried concealed for several years and intend on doing so to be able to protect myself and family members if need be. If you don’t agree with that then fine, but don’t tell me and others we have no right to protect ourselves and family. If Appleebee’s and other places continue to restrict concealed carry after the law is changed, then I will go somewhere else to eat. My choice not theirs.

By MMc45414

May 17, 2011 5:38 PM | Link to this

Have any of you that are predicting doom ever visited another state? Like maybe any of the ones that surround Ohio? Ever been out to eat while there? Just wondering…

By The Duke of Hazard

May 17, 2011 5:27 PM | Link to this

Public Notice: If you gun haters have been rejectin’ legal personal CCW handgun protection, do not cry or whine when I refuse to come to your defense and rescue by using mine. I will neither pause nor stop, because it ain’t my job, and I’ll leave it and you to the cops; who might arrive while you are still alive.

By kasich didnt get the jobs done

May 17, 2011 5:27 PM | Link to this

This must be what John Kasich is doing about the jobs outlook for ohio,i guess the emergency rooms will get a bump in gunshot victims,homicide will also need more detectives.im not anti guns at all,but guns in bars? wtf.

By The Old Cold Warrior

May 17, 2011 5:22 PM | Link to this

Question: What do you call all of those nice white polite educated sophisticated civilized suburbanites, who are peacefully walking across those dark parking lots, to and from their cars between those nice cinemas, theaters, festivals, restaurants and bars? Answer: Prey

By Leon Harrison

May 17, 2011 5:17 PM | Link to this

Yes, there will without a doubt be a few sad scary tragic accidents and incidents, suitable for sensational TV and newspaper stories with boohoo sue, sue, sue interviews disguised as news; used by gun-grabbing nagging big-government nannies and pet media people to prove and promote their agendas. Call me Nostradamas.

By the gop sucks

May 17, 2011 5:16 PM | Link to this

i cant think of anything wrong with a bunch of drunk idiots with firearms could you?

By Tarded

May 17, 2011 4:58 PM | Link to this

Wow, I sure hope this one passes. Every time I go to Applebee’s I feel sooo threatened! Get a grip gun freaks. The only time you would need a gun in any restaurant is if your on West Third St.

By Read the Bill

May 17, 2011 4:55 PM | Link to this

It’s written in the bill that ANY establishment can have their own restrictions to this law. If you have a business and are uncomfortable with concealed carry, simply post a sign and responsible gun owners will respect it and not carry into your business. Criminals, on the other hand, will still bring their guns in even if you ask them not to. ;-)

By yaskay

May 17, 2011 4:53 PM | Link to this

Don’t be discouraged with the law abiding citizens who are carrying their personal protection…..it’s the other idiots who are felons and they could care less what the law says. But they maybe less bold in their actions if they think that others are armed….just like they are.

By Responsible Gun Owner

May 17, 2011 4:50 PM | Link to this

Remember when Concealed Carry first became law? Ohio was going to turn into the Wild West. Shootings everywhere! Explosion in gun crimes! Cops and highway patrol members being shot all the time! Oh yeah…NONE OF THAT EVER HAPPENED because guys like me who carry a concealed weapon are among the most responsible, law abiding citizens in Ohio!!! The only fear you should have now are those who carry illegally with no regard for any laws or safety concerns. And please remember that many times cops don’t prevent crimes, they just show up afterwards to write the report. That’s not a law enforcement slam, it’s the unfortunate truth in our society where fewer people have respect for eachother or the law.

By karon

May 17, 2011 4:47 PM | Link to this

The resturant business community is against having these guns. This is going to hurt the resturants and they will have trouble hiring people! How stupid of a society have we become?

By Rhonda

May 17, 2011 4:12 PM | Link to this

Wait til something happens to a loved one of one of these idiots who has a gun in a bar!! There is a reason for it being a FELONY to carry a weapon into a bar!! Come on!!

By Guns N' Roses

May 17, 2011 4:00 PM | Link to this

The general public must feel that the law enforcement community cannot protect it’s citizens. I only feel a need to carry a gun when I go hunting for bambi and briar rabbit.

By jon

May 17, 2011 3:56 PM | Link to this

“I’m a big 2nd amendment fan”— who says that?