By me

July 11, 2009 9:01 PM | Link to this

he just needed a place to lay his head. he was not causing problems so y bother him.

By appalled

July 11, 2009 9:19 PM | Link to this

tell me again, who was he bothering? as if pt’s family doesn’t sleep out on those couches? so, what? just because he’s homeless he can’t take a nap…?

By RacerX

July 11, 2009 9:48 PM | Link to this

Taken to jail? Ok, he didn’t belong in the hospital. How about just escorting him off the property?

By Nurse

July 11, 2009 10:04 PM | Link to this

I wonder-those of you with jobs-if you would want a homeless person sleeping on a couch at your place of employment? Think about it.

By Cuz

July 11, 2009 10:14 PM | Link to this

Good job MVH security. Don’t think I’d want to be a patient, paying my way, and having a freeloader sleeping outside my door. It is not MVH’s role to provide a bed for the homeless…they do enough for the unemployed, uninsured, and other unfortunates among us as it is.

By Anna

July 11, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this

Oh, please. MVH doesn’t do as much for the unemployed, uninsured or unfortunates amongst us as they’d like us to believe. MVH made over $65 million last year. As a non-profit, they could be putting the money back into the community or indigent care. Instead, they are constructing a monstrosity of a heart tower that they Dayton area does not need. At the very least, they could have removed this man from their property and not sent him to jail. We should all be a little more sympathetic to the plight of those less fortunate (and yes, “Nurse”, that means those of us who have jobs as well as those who do not).

By ckoaiokel

July 11, 2009 10:44 PM | Link to this

Look, he had probably already been trespassed from the property. That is why he was taken to jail. As for MVH being an non-profit, they are for-profit, the other PHP local hospital, Good Sam, is non-profit. All those thinking he wasn’t causing problems, he was, as he was detracting from the image that people expect to come to a hospital and not see homeless people laying around on a couch, where they may have to sit, with their shoes off and everything. You should be happy, because most of the time the homeless go to the hospital for some non-existent type of illness and then you and I are left to pay for their healthcare bill.

By devinegrace

July 11, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this

my goodness where is the kindness and compassion that and sacrifice and forgiveness that Jesus gave you for your sins, believe me if you were God decided to take your job and and you were homeless,I wonder what you would do!, this is exactly the kind of nurse we do not need caring for patients, a simple escort off the premises would have been sufficient, where is your hear my sister. and you are caring for patients.

By ray

July 11, 2009 11:24 PM | Link to this

Okay lets get this straight: homeless man escorted off premises. did he trespass, because there was one good reason why he was taken to jail. What if he is a sexual predator sick and ederly men and women whom he could have access to. READERS/BLOGGERS WISE UP. THERE WAS A REASON WHY HE WAS TAKEN TO JAIL.

By RAY

July 11, 2009 11:32 PM | Link to this

I forgot something else, maybe he has an outstanding warrant. (read real slow when reading this) There is a very good reason why the police took him to jail and DDN did not inform the readers with the entire story. Check the jail website and see who is in jail for trespassing, and then check that persons jail history.

By RAY

July 11, 2009 11:33 PM | Link to this

I forgot something else, maybe he has an outstanding warrant. (read real slow when reading this) There is a very good reason why the police took him to jail and DDN did not inform the readers with the entire story. Check the jail website (most recent arrest) and see who is in jail for trespassing, and then check that persons jail history.

By Keff

July 11, 2009 11:46 PM | Link to this

MVH has the rudest staff in Dayton for a hospital so the man should be happy he got to get out of the hell hole in which he was sleeping in.

By well well

July 12, 2009 12:52 AM | Link to this

Hey Ray, the man is only a career trespasser. Is that so bad? I think it’s good he was taken to jail just on account of getting a bed, food and a shower if he chooses.

By Tuzzy

July 12, 2009 12:57 AM | Link to this

He has probably been escorted from the premises on several occasions. Have you ever had to sit in MVH’s waiting room with all those indigents derelicts who make demand after demand, eating up available resources, such as bed space for imagined maladies and non-existent health issues? From what I have seen, MVH has the most professional caring staff I have encountered in my life.

By RacerX

July 12, 2009 1:10 AM | Link to this

Ray, in this country, we do not arrest people because they “maybe” are a criminal.

By Tuzzy Jr.

July 12, 2009 1:37 AM | Link to this

Yeah he is only a career trespasser. Not realy bad. Wonder why the liberal rag DDN doesn’t write about the last poor innocent homeless person that attempted to smash a Doctors head with a brick.

By SLEEPY2

July 12, 2009 2:45 AM | Link to this

MVH… boo! VA hospital Rules! I love our Veterans! :)

By HomelessPplNdLuv2

July 12, 2009 3:34 AM | Link to this

For those of you who thinks it’s cool to have a homeless person sleeping at an area hospital just don’t b***h when you get crabs from sitting on that same couch the next time you go to MVH and have to wait for a procedure or loved one.

By Stephen Bickford

July 12, 2009 5:22 AM | Link to this

You can get a disease from being in a hospital. It’s a good thing they took the poor guy to jail. Besides, he can probably sleep better in jail.

By Stephen Bickford

July 12, 2009 5:29 AM | Link to this

Brings up a good question. Where would you go if you were homeless? Where would you sleep if you were homeless?

By another nurse

July 12, 2009 5:34 AM | Link to this

I wonder if it was the same homeless man that was wondering around the maternity unit a few months ago after visiting hours were over. Wouldn’t you want the staff to keep your newborn baby safe?

By another reader

July 12, 2009 8:02 AM | Link to this

Im sitting here reading all these comments and I just can’t belive what some people are saying. The hospital is many things, a place for people to work, for people to go when they are sick, tests to be done and many more things. Yes it is sad that this man is homeless(but who cares why), he shouldn’t make himself comfortable where ever he wants. The staff at MVH has to respect the privacy of the pts and families and workers, you just can’t have joe blow camp out. Like they said before, the police won’t take them to jail for no reason at all. When you are in a healthcare situation, you want to feel safe. Thanks to all of those that watch out for us..

By Firefighter Dave

July 12, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this

Yes, the homeless take up needed space at hospitals. They also take away the EMS providers VALUABLE time with transports. Most are nasty, dirty and carry their life’s belongings with them. Why didn’t he just go to the local homeless shelter(s) that are 2 blocks away? To the people who say it’s OK, DO YOU INVITE THE HOMELESS INTO YOUR HOMES TO SLEEP ON YOUR COUCH? IF SO, POST YOUR ADDRESS SO WE CAN SEND THEM YOUR WAY!

By jack

July 12, 2009 9:10 AM | Link to this

‘Another Nurse’.. I am more concerned as to how someone got into Maternity, which I thought was a ‘Secured Area’.. Seems like security should be doing something prior to extracting vagrants from sofas…

By Schmedlap

July 12, 2009 9:30 AM | Link to this

Although I now work in industry since getting a masters in administration, I worked for many years at MVH mostly as a night nurse. Homeless tend to come in from the weather to more comfortable conditions to sleep. I wont say it is a common thing but it is certainly not rare. As night nurses we were alert to this because among other things we were concerned for the safety and security of our patients. If we became aware of a camper, we called security. How the legalities were handled were not of my concern. ckoaiokel, you need to check your facts. Not for profit is a tax status. All PHP hospitals are NFP. I think you are confusing faith based, FP/NFP and balance sheet. Do some study before addressing complex issues.

By Patti

July 12, 2009 10:38 AM | Link to this

Was he taken to jail for “STEALING” a patients pillow from a room? or for trespassing on a couch in a public place? Hmm..maybe he would like being in jail..at least he has a bed to sleep on and a place to stay.

By Susan

July 12, 2009 10:41 AM | Link to this

This is absolutely nothing new. The “residents” from the Salvation Army at Apple @ Patterson have been coming into the MVH for years to hangout and use the hospital’s payphones. MVH is oblivious to the dozens of ex-felons sitting in the hallways chatting on the phones - outside of their patients rooms. But go the MVH emergency room late at night, and 6-8 security guards are just standing around BSing with one another. One more homeless person doesn’t make a difference.

By Kim

July 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Link to this

I’m also a nurse, and can see why he would have to be asked to leave, but did they have to take the poor guy to jail? Sheesh.

By Deb

July 12, 2009 11:32 AM | Link to this

I think the Outdoorsman should have been Euthanized on the spot(no more problem)

By Concerned

July 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Link to this

I think people have gotten a bit confused; MVH is not a public place and therefore not public property. And if this individual is a career trespasser, it is a crime to trespass on private property. Not to mention, if the “Urban Outdoorsman” needed a place to stay, he could have checked into one of the 3 homeless shelters less than a mile away from the hospital. Firefighter Dave, nicely put.

By Nurse Jackie

July 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Link to this

There is such a negative stigma attached to homeless persons. You or I could be there someday. Its sad hes in jail now but at least now we are paying for him to have a roof over his head and food in his stomach..Karma is a Bit*h, taxpayers.

By nunyo

July 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this

Many with misplaced mercy are missing the point. There are shelters nearby that cater to homeless. He didn’t HAVE to sleep in the hospital. He chose to make the waiting room - which the hospital provides as a service for their patients’ families - his own lounge. Reality is that many homeless don’t bathe regularly, which means they smell terrible. They are often drug/alcohol abusers, they are often encrusted with human waste, filth & vermin. Think about how Hepatitis, TB, HIV, lice or bedbugs could be transmitted. Think about the vulnerability of bedridden, weak or sedated patients alone in their rooms. MVH’s foremost mission is keeping their patients healthy/safe. Good for them for removing this man.

By Eve

July 12, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this

This guy’s been arrested and convicted 10 times this year ALONE for criminal trespassing, several occasions at MVH. The defendent, the police, his lawyers, and judges are repeating the incarceration and release process over and over at taxpayer cost despite no change in behavior. There’s a real story in there waiting to be written beyond the mere transcription of a police report.

By boozeygirl

July 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Link to this

To all who don’t know about this person. He is a repeat offender at numerous other places but since its MVH we hear about it in the ddn. I’m happy to see that the security department is on their job. Hey kim I wonder if you would be saying sheesh about him if he would have assaulted you in a restroom or stole your purse. To all the other people who have a problem with him going to jail I would love for each and everyone of you to find this person and offer him your residence to stay for the night. Then he wouldn’t be treated badly by MVH staff.

By RETIRED SGT

July 12, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this

MVH is a business, just like Best Buy, Kroger, Home Depot etc. The man was not sick or injured. He was homeless. Do you think ANY business would want a homeless vagrant sleeping in their business? No. Additionally, the man was trespassed twice that day and kept coming back. he was escorted off twice before. The reason he was BOOKED is becuase he had no address to send a court notice to appear for the charge. He HAD to be booked. That way he can be reached to appear in court. He had 2 chances yet he continued to come back. Just the facts man….

By roadkill

July 12, 2009 3:21 PM | Link to this

right on boozygirl and sarge!

By exladyvol

July 12, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this

Why did he have to take his shoes off and go to sleep?

By ThreeKittens

July 12, 2009 4:07 PM | Link to this

Don’t you take your shoes off before you go to sleep?

By poppawu

July 12, 2009 5:33 PM | Link to this

I sleep nude.

By T.Azzalina

July 12, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

Come on people, escort him off property,yes. Take him to jail, another case of the D.P.D. saving the day. Give me a break!

By kt

July 12, 2009 9:37 PM | Link to this

man all this energy that u people waste on arguing about a homeless man sleeping in a hospital [right] im wit u poppawu i sleep nude to but seriously there is way more things you could be discussing not sayin homeliness is not important but i just cant believe how bored you all are man as far as the ploice it might not be fair to some of us but were just doing their job.

By Hobo

July 12, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this

Well, the good thing for him is, since he was taken to jail, he’ll still have a place to sleep. Although I think I would have prefered the hospital couch. But, sleeping in a jail cell beats sleeping under a bridge, I guess.

By Teresa

July 12, 2009 10:38 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t anybody get it? Sleeping in a jail cell DOES beat sleeping under a bridge - even in July in Ohio. Didn’t have to worry about the snow. Didn’t have to worry about the sun getting in his eyes in the morning. No worries about somebody rolling over and taking your rock out from under your head - don’t you suppose that’s why he kept coming back - so someone would be forced to take him to jail, where he’d get free food and clothes and medical care. Mine’s not free.

By Hobo

July 12, 2009 10:44 PM | Link to this

Teresa, you make a good point but, I’d rather be free. Anyway, gotta get off this hospital computer and see if I can find a spot under the bridge.

By Watermelon

July 12, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this

He should get the death penalty………what a terrible crime.

By OMG!

July 13, 2009 4:10 AM | Link to this

MVH=BULLIES (Miami Valley has a contract with Moon-Light Security. That company is the bottom of the barrel.)

By another comment

July 13, 2009 5:59 AM | Link to this

This is really starting to get stupid. Back and forth about what he did and what MVH did. Think of this, what if one of your family members(or even youself) was a pt, if they were critical. How would you feel if somebody (homeless or not) was walking in and out of rooms and then making himself a nice place to sleep in the waiting room. If he can find himself a pillow, what stops him from taking anything else… Profit or nonprofit-who cares. Bugs or stink-doesn’t matter. Homeless or not- this doesn’t matter either. Safety, thats what matters! Privacy, that matters! To omg, mvh bullies, come on. Moon light has nothing to with it either. Give it a rest already.

By arthur ittus

July 13, 2009 6:01 AM | Link to this

you say this guy had done this twelve times before this year Teresa? I’m glad he’s not a sex offender, or is he?

By bewildered

July 13, 2009 8:33 AM | Link to this

Ok so the man was taking a nap and not bothering anyone. All they had to do was escort him out of the building. Now we have to pay for him to sleep in jail. That makes alot of sense.

By Ashley

July 13, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this

Why should there even be Sec. gaurds for the hospital if they are not going to do their job. Thats one position that can be cut seeming to that they dayton police are doing their job anyway. People just wont understand until its one of their loved ones laying on that couch homeless and going to jail for basically nothing.

By J

July 13, 2009 9:57 AM | Link to this

Security should have just escorted him off the property. If he resisted- the police should be called. I think there was probably an outstanding warrant on this guy and that is why he went to jail. The jail is crowded- not in the business of providing bed/breakfast to the homeless. If a patient or a worker, I would not want people in the halls that should not be there.

By RETIRED SGT

July 13, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this

Apparently some of you cant read, so I will say it again. the man was ecorted off the property TWICE before and contined to come back. What are they supposed to do? They gave him 2 times. To all you people, if this guy would come into your job numerous times, and continued coming back, what would YOU do? MVH is there to provide services for sick and injured people. Not homeless. there are plenty of shelters in the area he could go to. MVH is concerned about the safety of all, but this man did not need medical attention. Hey, lets have all the homeless hang out at MVH. then how safe will ya feel…bunch if morons on this blog..

By Kay-Kay

July 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Link to this

Why take him to jail he did’nt do anything.He don’t have anywhere to go.Why not just let him sleep and feed him.WHAT is wrong with people these days?I know you can’t help everybody.but why not this guy?If i was there i would have help him.

By RETIRED SGT

July 13, 2009 10:43 AM | Link to this

to OMG, The MVH does not have a contract with moonlight security. But now I know what you are all about. Merhants Security was contracted to provide escort services for patients who may need additional care in getting into the hospital. This a service provided by teh MVh as a courtesy. No other hospital in the area provides such service. Just another example of how MVH provides services to the community. Additioanly, MVH, along with UD have been rehabbing the neighborhood immediately south of the hospital between main and brown and wyoming and stewart. for the past 10 years They have also paid for 2 community based DPD officers to provide exclusive service to that area. Behind the scenes ways MVH has given back to the community. some people here just like to complain. I thought you should know some additional facts…

By RETIRED SGT

July 13, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

apparently KAY KAY cant read or comprehend basic English. the man was asked to leave 2 times before, escorted off the property twice before, and came back a 3rd time, all within a span of 5 hours. MVH is there to provide hospital services for critical and non critical patients. It is not a hotel. The man was finally booked when he came back the 3rd time. he was also verbally abusive to the officers on every occasion, yet MVH police still escorted him off, sans arrest. The 3rd time he was arrested. Now, the reason he was booked, instead of charged and released, is because he has no address. the address is needed for the court to contact the charged person. If he could provide a verifiable address once at the jail, he wuld be released after booking procedures. If not, he would stay until his initial appearence, or until bond was set and paid. trespassing is a criminal offense once the authority for said property has asked you to leave, and you fail t do so. he was given 2 previous chances to leave. Kay kay, if you wanna take care of the homeless, which is a noble cause, I suggest you volunteer at St. vincents. they can use the help. That is a business set up for the homeless, not a hospital…

By sam

July 14, 2009 7:44 AM | Link to this

We put people in jail for non-crimes, and we have 3/4 ths of murder cases unsolved. We have mentally ill people walking the streets, and we treat them like trash. What is wrong with our society? Where is the love and compassion for our fellow man? What ever happened to, “Do unto others, as we would like for them to do unto us?”

By sam

July 14, 2009 7:44 AM | Link to this

We put people in jail for non-crimes, and we have 3/4 ths of murder cases unsolved. We have mentally ill people walking the streets, and we treat them like trash. What is wrong with our society? Where is the love and compassion for our fellow man? What ever happened to, “Do unto others, as we would like for them to do unto us?”

By truly blessed

July 15, 2009 6:57 AM | Link to this

I just want to say that I have read all of your comments and I understand both viewpoints. I work in a hospital and I believe it is our job to ensure our pt’s safety. As a society , we need to also have a caring heart. With this economy a lot of people are one step away from being homeless. It’s easy to point a finger when you are not in that situation yourself. Another possible solution to this problem would be to take this man to the homeless shelter instead of jail.

By Bob

July 15, 2009 10:26 PM | Link to this

My Hospital Bill at MVH for 1 Day was almost 30G’s. You would think that they could afford to give the guy a break, ask him to leave, and maybe even buy him a meal. Instead MVH wants the public to support the stay at the crossbar motel. This poor homeless person/now criminal is just trying to survive. WAY TO GO M.V.H. I HOPE HE WASN’T A VET.

By Bob

July 15, 2009 10:35 PM | Link to this

To the put out to pasture flatfoot that thinks that KAY KAY can’t read. I just read the story above and don’t see anything about the guy being ejected previously. Good try at being an A-HOLE it must come with the badge. You apparently know all about this particular crime spree, you must be a retired Barney-One-Bullet from MVH

By Bob

July 15, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this

the VA estimates that 131,000 veterans are homeless on any given night. And approximately twice that many experience homelessness over the course of a year. Conservatively, one out of every three homeless men who is sleeping in a doorway, alley or box in our cities and rural communities has put on a uniform and served this country. According to the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and the Urban Institute, 1999), veterans account for 23% of all homeless people in America. Just thought that some would like to know that a lot of these”nasty, dirty and carry their life’s belongings with them”, Homeless have sacrificed for their country. Everyone should be entitled to take up needed space at hospitals and take away the EMS providers VALUABLE time with transports,Dave Are you sure you are cut out to be a Firefighter? Caring and concerned about your fellow man is paramount in a Firemans job, or have you forgotten?

By SHNATEL TAYLOR

July 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Link to this

Damn is it really like that? All he wanted to do was sleep comfortably on the couch at the hospital, this is a shame that we would be transported to jail for somthing so petty. I am just so upset that they would do this gentleman like that. This is why I say that the mayor should get these vacant houses and turn them into shelters for the homeless so that way issues like this won’t happen again. If it was one of the employers loved ones that was homeless and sleeping on the couch it would have been ok but since he was just some random homeless guy he was not welcomed to rest. That really upsets me.

By Homeless Hater

July 18, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this

Shoot the bastard!!!!

By Bett

July 19, 2009 5:30 AM | Link to this

Just remember the times we are living in.Homelessness is not an impossibility for alot of us.What goes around,comes around.Instead of these big holier than thou hospitals building these HUGE specialty additions,why don’t they have a small facility for the poor to bathe and be fed and sent on their way,making a “visit” a max of 3x?Don’t forget,it could be you someday.

By Brenda

July 19, 2009 10:52 PM | Link to this

To Susan re: the Salvation Army “residents” and you know for a fact they just go there to hang out! you forgot to mention they go to MVH for 12 step meetings. And they Are not all felons as you imply. Check it out sometime.Lady sometimes it’s better to reamin silent so folks don’t think you are ignorant in your facts than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

By Tess

July 21, 2009 7:09 PM | Link to this

You know what most people fail to accept is that most “chronically” homeless have either drug, alcohol, or serious mental health issues. They didn’t just hit a bad patch. There is help…but the chronically homeless refuse it.

By todd

July 28, 2009 9:06 AM | Link to this

I heard he was an ex Gm employee who lost their home when they closed down morain

By LJC

July 28, 2009 9:50 AM | Link to this

To firefighter Dave: It is called compassion, and it is definitely a “must” in your line of work. Maybe, you should consider a different career field. Different Point: Miami Valley is not a benevolent institution by far! If you can not pay your bill, the center will even take your home. Maybe, then you can sleep on their couch.

By Jody Green

August 4, 2009 10:17 AM | Link to this

People are so judgemental today. That could have been my brother who has had some major mental problem. He lives on the streets of Dayton and is incapable of making decisions. With so many legal issues th family member are unable to seek help. This is why we have so many homeless. They have given people right who are unable to understand. He was picked up by police and taken to MVH. mvh said he was competent and released him back to the streets with no contact to the family in the middle of winter after a 2 hour walk he was located at a cousins house. It’s sad that mental illness is treated with low priority. They wouldn’t put a cancer patient out on the street.