The Reds are a train wreck. The team Krivsky put on the field the past two years cannot hit the ball, field the ball or pitch the ball with any consistency. Other than that they are pretty good :). A bunch of really nice, fun guys who can do as much or as little as they want and cash nice pay checks. I hope the new GM goes younger and gets rid of the dead wood starting with Griffey, Dunn and Ryan Freel. It’s time to turn the Cincinnati Reds Country Club into a hungry, accountable baseball team.
Bob C and Jocketty go way back. This was a done deal the day Jocketty and the Cards had a falling out. I doubt Krivsky was shocked. And I’m sure he knows it wasn’t anything he did.
The other two guys have just been friends for a long time.
I am so sick and tired of the references to the young talent the young have no values no dedication. They can’t stop texting long enough, spoiled brats. The older aren’t old and society is so missing the opportunity.
By the way, anybody else notice how the bullpen (Dusty’s strength?????) is hurt already? Still can’t handle pitchers, been his achilles heel everywhere he goes. Plus watch out for when he starts throwing people under the bus that don’t perform.
Walt Jocketty is a good baseball man but he is more Steinbrenner than developer. If you take away Pujols. There minor league system hasn’t done much. You guys who think the Reds minor league system “Sucks” don’t know beans about what you are talking about. The Reds System is a Top 5 system right now, thank to Krivsky and the man he replaced O’brian. Reds ownership have to decide how they want to operate. With Jocketty, Mr.C better break out his piggy bank.
While in St. Louis the Jokerty regime was responsible for finding, drafting, and developing some outstanding young talent. He also made some trades that brought in young, talented prospects such as Adam Wainwright. The Cardinals were more than a one year title run team. They made it to the World Series in 2004, losing to the Sox, and made it back in 2006 and beat the Tigers. The Cardinals have had some outstanding ball clubs under Jokerty in the 2000’s. I think it’s a good move.
Baker wasn’t even Krivsky’s hire; Castellini pulled that one off. I wonder if Kriv and baker got along. Did anyone hear anything? Now I’ve got more oa reason to root against the Reds.
I think he rubbed too many people the wrong way in the organization. For his bad moves (Stanton and Castro etc..) He had good moves (Phillips and Hamilton). The one thing I worry about this seems like the best young pitching the Reds have had for a while. I just wonder how Jocketty will handle that.
I’m not sure I agree with this move…yet; however, there is some justification. Now, one must expect some wholesale player moves. I hope Tom is incorrect. Should Walt start dealing our youth for veterans, we will fall into an old pattern that proved ineffective. The Cincinnati Reds farm system was rated as poor for so long and now is considered solid. To squander that for immediate success would be detrimental in the long-term.
I agree with “Miss”. Krivsky realy wasn’t given sufficient time to dig the Reds out of the hole of malaise they have been in for several years. It takes time to rebuild a depleted farm system. It especially takes time to build a decent starting pitching rotation. While I regretted losing Josh Hamilton, I think Krivsky made good moves to improve the pitching. Add in a new manager (Baker), and I think Krivsky deserved a couple of more years at least to see what develops.
Too soon, but we saw the writing on the wall. Krivsky’s a good man, but apparently the ownership has stars in front of their eyes. First it was the disrespect shown to Mackanin by not even considering him for the manager’s job, then Baker (who brings his gang over with him) and now Jocketty. Walt’s a good baseball man and I no doubt that he will contribute, but what the ownership did to Wayne was wrong.
It was going to happen at some point; Castellini would want his choice running the team. The timing though indicates the ownership is blaming the GM for the poor start when it is under-performance by the players. Yes, whomever brought in Fogg and Patterson should be ashamed but that decision had to involve scouts, others. Krivsky never showed preferences other than for Castro and when he was let go, you had a feeling more moves were to follow. I just dont see anything major coming from this.
Really, who cares anymore. The Reds have been in the toilet so long that I don’t pay any attention to their antics, which, if history repeats, will lead them to a finish in the bottom end of their division. How can you get excited?
Can’t the Reds keep someone around more then 2 to 3 years and give the guy some time to work. Yes it has been just over 2 years but it takes longer than that to build a team.
honestly 2006 I think hurt him. To come so close to making the play offs and then fall back to where they were hurt him. Have I agread with all his moves? No, but he has done a good job based on what he had to work with.
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By Tom
April 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
The Reds are a train wreck. The team Krivsky put on the field the past two years cannot hit the ball, field the ball or pitch the ball with any consistency. Other than that they are pretty good :). A bunch of really nice, fun guys who can do as much or as little as they want and cash nice pay checks. I hope the new GM goes younger and gets rid of the dead wood starting with Griffey, Dunn and Ryan Freel. It’s time to turn the Cincinnati Reds Country Club into a hungry, accountable baseball team.
By Ken
April 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
WHO CARES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
By Joe
April 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
At least baseball is better than politics. you don’t have to wait 4 years for a change in leadership, but like politics it’s all about money.
By J. Brady
April 23, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
What are we paying these bums????????//The Dayton Dragons are excellent players…draw from them. They will show you what the game is supposed to be!
By Scott
April 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
There’s no mystery here.
Bob C and Jocketty go way back. This was a done deal the day Jocketty and the Cards had a falling out. I doubt Krivsky was shocked. And I’m sure he knows it wasn’t anything he did.
The other two guys have just been friends for a long time.
By Rosey Red
April 23, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
I am so sick and tired of the references to the young talent the young have no values no dedication. They can’t stop texting long enough, spoiled brats. The older aren’t old and society is so missing the opportunity.
By Chris
April 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
Good point Davius. Baker will be asking for the moon soon….can anyone see a Bonds-Griffey-Dunn ourfield soon?
By Chris
April 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
By the way, anybody else notice how the bullpen (Dusty’s strength?????) is hurt already? Still can’t handle pitchers, been his achilles heel everywhere he goes. Plus watch out for when he starts throwing people under the bus that don’t perform.
By Davius
April 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Walt Jocketty is a good baseball man but he is more Steinbrenner than developer. If you take away Pujols. There minor league system hasn’t done much. You guys who think the Reds minor league system “Sucks” don’t know beans about what you are talking about. The Reds System is a Top 5 system right now, thank to Krivsky and the man he replaced O’brian. Reds ownership have to decide how they want to operate. With Jocketty, Mr.C better break out his piggy bank.
By Bryan
April 23, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
While in St. Louis the Jokerty regime was responsible for finding, drafting, and developing some outstanding young talent. He also made some trades that brought in young, talented prospects such as Adam Wainwright. The Cardinals were more than a one year title run team. They made it to the World Series in 2004, losing to the Sox, and made it back in 2006 and beat the Tigers. The Cardinals have had some outstanding ball clubs under Jokerty in the 2000’s. I think it’s a good move.
By Chris
April 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Baker wasn’t even Krivsky’s hire; Castellini pulled that one off. I wonder if Kriv and baker got along. Did anyone hear anything? Now I’ve got more oa reason to root against the Reds.
By Steve
April 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
I think he rubbed too many people the wrong way in the organization. For his bad moves (Stanton and Castro etc..) He had good moves (Phillips and Hamilton). The one thing I worry about this seems like the best young pitching the Reds have had for a while. I just wonder how Jocketty will handle that.
By J Todd
April 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure I agree with this move…yet; however, there is some justification. Now, one must expect some wholesale player moves. I hope Tom is incorrect. Should Walt start dealing our youth for veterans, we will fall into an old pattern that proved ineffective. The Cincinnati Reds farm system was rated as poor for so long and now is considered solid. To squander that for immediate success would be detrimental in the long-term.
By Joe
April 23, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Any team that would pay 13 million to a dud like Adam Dunn can’t possibly know what’s goin’ on.
By Bob540
April 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
I agree with “Miss”. Krivsky realy wasn’t given sufficient time to dig the Reds out of the hole of malaise they have been in for several years. It takes time to rebuild a depleted farm system. It especially takes time to build a decent starting pitching rotation. While I regretted losing Josh Hamilton, I think Krivsky made good moves to improve the pitching. Add in a new manager (Baker), and I think Krivsky deserved a couple of more years at least to see what develops.
By Chris
April 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Too soon, but we saw the writing on the wall. Krivsky’s a good man, but apparently the ownership has stars in front of their eyes. First it was the disrespect shown to Mackanin by not even considering him for the manager’s job, then Baker (who brings his gang over with him) and now Jocketty. Walt’s a good baseball man and I no doubt that he will contribute, but what the ownership did to Wayne was wrong.
By hakko936
April 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Krivsky became a “dead man walking” on the day Jocketty was hired.
By Steve
April 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
It was going to happen at some point; Castellini would want his choice running the team. The timing though indicates the ownership is blaming the GM for the poor start when it is under-performance by the players. Yes, whomever brought in Fogg and Patterson should be ashamed but that decision had to involve scouts, others. Krivsky never showed preferences other than for Castro and when he was let go, you had a feeling more moves were to follow. I just dont see anything major coming from this.
By Fed Up
April 23, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
What farm system Torn? The Reds hasn’t had anything in te last 10 years! They suck
GO REDS!! (and take the Bengals with you)
By jaime
April 23, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Really, who cares anymore. The Reds have been in the toilet so long that I don’t pay any attention to their antics, which, if history repeats, will lead them to a finish in the bottom end of their division. How can you get excited?
By Miss Baseball
April 23, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Can’t the Reds keep someone around more then 2 to 3 years and give the guy some time to work. Yes it has been just over 2 years but it takes longer than that to build a team.
honestly 2006 I think hurt him. To come so close to making the play offs and then fall back to where they were hurt him. Have I agread with all his moves? No, but he has done a good job based on what he had to work with.
By tom
April 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
Well there goes the farm system. Jokerty will trade all of the young talent for past their prime veterans for a one year run.